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Edited by: rig0r on 03/04/2006 15:34:03
Sounds fishy. According to WineHQ appdb they have only recently (last couple of days) made some progress with wine CVS. It runs, but still has crash issues. Progress is being made though.

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Sevarus James, here is more info to debunk CB Cyrix, if he has played Eve for months using wine, then how come he is here posting on the 10th of march saying that it should work soon?

Originally by: CB Cyrix

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Interestingly enough, EvE is top of the top 25 things to make work on wineHQ.

So give it a few months and wine will run eve, because im not paying for WineX just to run eve because I never pay for software, thats why I use linux.

Transgaming should have a donation only, not a fixed payment.

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Linkage

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Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 03/04/2006 22:48:14
Right folks :) Got it working.

Here's how.

Software needed
- Cadega 5.1.1 (recommend you just pay the sub and download it... its the easiest method)
- Eve installer.

Steps taken
1. Install the eve software using the cadega p2p application.
- It will take a while, so I recommend going away and making a cuppa and some food like I did then come back about 10 mins later and you'll see it complete.

2. in the profile settings of eve (click eve listing on the left, then right click the eve icon on the right, and select profile settings) change the operating system from win98 to winxp (its the only thing I changed in there).

3. Try running the program.
- It should work at this point, albeit your resolution may be wrong and whatnot.

If it fails to work...

4. Check your xorg.conf, I had the "unsupported mode" message appear on my monitor which meant that cadega was forcing the monitor to display stuff at a higher or lower refresh rate or resolution than it supports. As cadega takes its settings from your xorg.conf file make sure its setup correctly. View your monitor's manual I had to change my vsync and hsync settings to let it work.

Points of mention

Do not attempt to change screen resolution inside the esc menu of the program. Cadega will crash. Instead navigate to the fake C drive of Cadega and alter the prefs.ini file to the resolution you want.

Average frame rate for me is as follows.

In warp/space: 30fps
In roid belt and fighting: 10fps
In pos with a load of ships floating around: 5fps.

General travel bounces between 10 and 20fps.

If you turn effects off FPS should shoot up some, it improved on mine by about 10fps overall.


Rah!!! im so happy I got it working :) and thank you to sevarus for helping me out so much! :)

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Edited by: Trelennen on 04/04/2006 11:04:04

Originally by: damicatz

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With the proper hacks, it is possible to get Eve to run under Wine. The keyword is run. You need to apply two patches in order to be able to get the login screen to display and to be able to login. To my knowledge, they are not in the CVS as of yet.

I doubt, however, that the game runs very well. There is still the bug with refcounting that prevents Eve from loading a good deal of the time under Wine.

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Indeed, not all of them are included in the CVS version. With latest additions, the directx.c fix is now included. However the other hack you mentionned is prolly not in, as I can't get pass the login process.

Even if the game doesn't really work while in space (eg. doing anything else than being in space), it'd be nice if you could give me the other hack needed to get pass the crash occuring after logging (after EVE tries to open fill.dds). I don't mind the time bugs anyway, and it would only be for a second box, which for the moment does really few things anyway (and in the short term will mainly loot/mine). And anyway it's still better than nothing ;)

Thanks.

Edit: odly enough, while from the changelog, the directx.c file has been modified for 0.9.11, and although I get to the login screen with cvs version of wine, just adding the Fonts registry key, I doesn't even get there with packaged version of wine 0.9.11 )

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Wouldnt it be great if they made the game to render both openGL and DirectX like ut2004!!!!?

You would think with so many people playing the game they would aim to getting it available on as many Operating Systems as possible!!!!! but no that would be too smart and theres more money involved

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Yea, I am running FC5, with both the recent wine wine 0.9.11, and
the latest Wine CVS build, with the WineCVS.sh script.
I also tried the Wine DX9 patched and get a little further, but still has probs with the login screen. I am not sure how to modify the directx9.c to allow me to login, so I have to leave that step.

I also tried compiling the cadega cvs but I get problems in make, (outside the realm of this discussion, something to do with the wrong gcc)

But if cadega CVS would compile, it could be promising.

I dont know why wine and wine9x would compile but WineX330 or cadega wont... has me really annoyed and just reinforces the anti-linux stereotyping..

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Originally by: Miss PVP

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Yea, I am running FC5, with both the recent wine wine 0.9.11, and
the latest Wine CVS build, with the WineCVS.sh script.
I also tried the Wine DX9 patched and get a little further, but still has probs with the login screen. I am not sure how to modify the directx9.c to allow me to login, so I have to leave that step.

I also tried compiling the cadega cvs but I get problems in make, (outside the realm of this discussion, something to do with the wrong gcc)

But if cadega CVS would compile, it could be promising.

I dont know why wine and wine9x would compile but WineX330 or cadega wont... has me really annoyed and just reinforces the anti-linux stereotyping..

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For your login screen problems, did you add the Fonts registry key (mentionned in page 8 by El***ER, have to check the location each time, so can't be more precise ;)). With CVS 0.9.11 and that registry key, it let you log in (but you'll crash after authentification and before character select).

For the buil problem with cvscedega and winex, maybe a diskspace issue on the disk you build on? (root disk if you start the script being root, home directory disk if you start it under regular user and enter root pass afterwards).

Cyrix >> from what I read, most Dx9 modifications are not in the CVS version of Cedega (not only the copy protection and installer codes). Each time I tested it after a vanilla build, black login screen (I must admit I didn't try to long, but couldn't find how to edit registry to add the Fonts key like with wine to see if i could get to the character select, as the reg key is one of the things which gives the black login screen).

Regarding what you had said on the other thread

Originally by: CB Cyrix

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wineHQ.com

thats the original wine, thats what I use.

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At that time you said you were using regular wine from WineHQ. You hadn't mentionned you used a patched version. Hence why people were really dubious, as none could run the game even with 0.9.11 without patching sources partially, and even doing so, with the patches they add, the game wasn't running great (hardly running even).

Anyway, now it's much clearer and it gives us more options. Thanks for giving those links. That second link however seems to be the regular wine unpatched. And if so, I already tested, and I can't make it run (EVE still crash after trying to open fill.dds after authentification). Would you have any suggestion to get pass this step then?

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Edited by: CB Cyrix on 05/04/2006 08:51:47

I saw this, maybe reading that might help people....

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Edited by: CB Cyrix on 05/04/2006 15:38:03


I cant reply anymore about this because its nearing the dark side, and I aim to keep my eve account

mail me and we could chat about it

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It turns out the CVS tree for Cadega and WineX are broken, and thats why they wont compile. So many hours wasted :)

So I downloaded the Cadega trial, installed it. And had reasonable success with Eve.

My system is Athlon64 3800+ (i386 distro of Fedora Core 5)
nVidia 6600GT

Getting 27fps in and out of station @ 1024x768.
Still crashes at esc menu just as backgroud is about to blur.
Can change focus, but cannot move window from character select screen onwards.

I do feel that we will have the same success with Wine soon. Its just a matter of time.

Whats the patch to get past the character select with Wine 0.9.11? :)

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Originally by: Sevarus James

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Scratching my head over why you are crashing on the settings menu. As soon as 5.1.1 was released, my system no longer crashed on that unless you were changing video resolution, and a restart of EVE shows that the change took effect even if the app crashed after changing to the mode.

FS or windowed, my system doesn't crash at all on the escape key settings menu. I'm running normally at 1900x1200 FS, and have changed my gnome shortcut keys for virtual desktops to alt1, alt2 alt3 etc., to switch desktops. So far its been flawless. (i.e.: no crashes.)

The latest 2 updates to cedega (5.1.2, 5.1.3) have been specific bug point releases to deal with a recent WOW patch. According to the release notes for 5.1.3 they have implemented some openGL changes to increase performance. (We won't see that increase, as EVE doesn't do ogl.) I've been running with the latest release and no apparent issues as of yet.

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Ahh sorry, forgot to mention that Cadega Trial is still 5.1 from what I could tell.
To be honest, I am not going to pay to run Eve on linux. Kinda goes against the my idea of running linux to be honest, especially since Eve doesnt require CD-Protection or other non-GPL stuff.

I would like to see Wine get better, I will just keep trying with each update.

Thanks for your response

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Well theres two issues here :

1.You are paying extra to run a program under Linux. That essentially makes EVE $20 a month under Linux instead of $15 a month under Windows.

2.Cedega is a rip-off of the Wine project and a rather poor one at that. The only reason that Wine does not have better Direct3D support is because Transgaming made many promises about contributing code back to the Wine codebase and they never did. Without Wine, there would be no Cedega.

3.Cedega is supporting Windows gaming, not Linux gaming. It gives developers the message that Cedega is an alternative to a native Linux port when it is not.

4.The CVS version of Cedega is not just a rev behind the paid version. The majority of it is still WineX 3.0. There is no pixel shader code and minimal DirectX 9 code in the CVS version. They used to keep the CVS up to date but then peoople actually started using the CVS and they didn't like that. Even though they released the CVS code under a license that allows for redistrubtion, anytime someone took advantage of that, they sent threats saying they were going to change the license.

5.I'm fully aware of the amount of developers that are ignorant of the Windows platform. But then again, with crap like .net, a chimpanzee can code a Windows application. Linux and the UNIX platform in general are a lot less tolerant of sloppy coding practices, which is a good thing. It might be more work but theres a reason why open-source programs have beaten out their commercial competitors on more than one occasion.

Originally by: Sevarus James

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Originally by: Miss PVP

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Ahh sorry, forgot to mention that Cadega Trial is still 5.1 from what I could tell.
To be honest, I am not going to pay to run Eve on linux. Kinda goes against the my idea of running linux to be honest, especially since Eve doesnt require CD-Protection or other non-GPL stuff.
I would like to see Wine get better, I will just keep trying with each update.
Thanks for your response

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Philosophically, I really feel that the attitude of 'not gonna pay' really hurts the linux community from a larger view. I pay transgaming the 5 bucks a month more to SUPPORT linux gaming than from any other view. I believe in what Transgaming is attempting to do, and that is building a business model for linux that will succeed.

If transgaming as a company can be profitable and put out a product that lets linux be a viable GAMING platform, this gives us better visibility and VIABILITY from a game developer's standpoint. Game developers in general (and this includes CCP from posts that Oveur has made) are fairly ignorant of the platform, and visibility can only lead to more support in the long run.

The CVS version is always gonna be a 'rev' behind the paid version. 5.1.1 is the release point you need that will get all of the escape key and minmatar (+ a few other types) of gates and stations from crashing the game. As 5.1.3 has been put out, keep checking for the next version CVS...shouldn't be too long (or now) before its downloadable.

I too would like to see wine get better at general support as well, although I think that both Transgaming AND wine have a place, with different focus. I'm an avid proponent of linux native applications, and wine as the 'backup' for those apps that don't have suitable replacements. I feel transgaming as the 'backup' for gaming applications that we want to be able to play without being forced into buying an OPERATING SYSTEM we don't want just to PLAY the game.

My statement is my own "take" if you will, and not a slam on your opinion, just a difference of one.

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NVidia released new drivers today. Just installed them and I got about a 5-10 FPS performance boost in EVE.

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New Nvidia drivers broke my setup, but once I hashed that out I'm seeing around 10 more fps.

And just thought I'd throw out my dealings with Cedega 5.1 and Twinview. Due to the breakage of 5.1 and dualhead cards using Twinview, I disabled Twinview and set my displays up as seperate X screens. Now I can continue running Eve full screen on one monitor and everything else on the other. And my fps has increased by at least 10 not using Twinview or Xinerama. The downside to seperate X screens is that you can't drag windows between them. I only use the one screen for Eve anways, so not a big deal for me.

I've been keeping track of my fps under all these various configurations and I will post some benchmarks soon. I'm still on the hunt for the best X configuration for Eve

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Its a very interesting thread as it started in 2003. The evolution of cedega/wine fixes, "it WORKS!", now it don'ts, etc., make for a very time capsul-ish feel. :)