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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:21:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Spectre3353 on 28/08/2008 19:10:49It recently occurred to me that while there are lots of killboards out there for kills and losses, there is no dedicated or slick tool to allow the submission of ransoms or the display of statistics related to them. Some pirate corporations use forums or the news post section in Griefwatch but I felt it was time for something a little more sophisticated. Behold the glorious (but not really that glorious) PC Ransom Board: http://www.pcransomboard.com/Submissions to be part of the PC Ransom Board beta have been closed. The corporations that will be participating are: - The Python Cartel- Veto- The United- The Aduro Protocol- The Tuskers- VMF-214 Blacksheep- The Carebear Stare2008-08-22: Version 0.06 Beta- Added a "link to this ransom" link on the ransom details page. - Added some new activity types. - Can now attach a related killboard link to a ransom (ie: if you ransom a pod and want to link the ship kill along with the ransom entry). - Main page at http://www.pcransomboard.com/ has been updated with a "news" and "about" sections. 2008-08-18: Version 0.05 Beta- Several areas of the "Pilot Details" and "View Stats" pages have been updated so that they are actually calculating and displaying stat information. About 50% of this stuff is complete and displaying now. - Fixed several Internet Explorer specific visual issues (but some still remain... damn you IE!) - There is now a top level page at "http://www.pcransomboard.com/" that has a list and links to all instances of the PC Ransom Board. 2008-08-13: Version 0.04 Beta- Users submitting a new ransom will now be forwarded to its details page immediately after a successful save. - Some Ext-JS popup slickness has been added in several places to save page real estate and also because it looks awesome. - Admin screen has been partially implemented. Users with the proper password now have access to view a list of ransoms and delete any of them that do not belong. Current To Do List: - Update "pilots involved" when submitting a ransom to be more robust and allow specification of what ship each pilot was flying - Allow specification of system security rating when submitting a ransom - Make ransom entries listed by time as well instead of only by date - Complete the pilot stats/board stats sections - Add paging to the main list of ransoms (currently there is no way to view older entries that are not in the table) - In game browser support - Add a "view" password so that boards can be private - Add the ability for admin's to edit existing ransom entries - Implement Search - Allow automated upload of custom banners and buttons - Implement the ability to add comments to ransom entries - Give admins access to config values via an admin web interface If you have a suggestion/improvement/issue/whatever and it is not on this list, please post in the thread and let me know! Thanks! |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM. |
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:50:00 - [ 2]
Very interesting. If I pirated much I'd certainly use it. I mean if all the ransom reports are publicly available I may consult it anyway to see what kind of payouts people have been getting for certain ships. |
Trojanman190
Yultani Advanced Research
Dark Orbit Associate's |
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:53:00 - [ 3]
I would remove the isk feature.
Carebears would check out hte board and see that they shouldnt pay X rediculous amount to save their ship.
For example I had a dude say "yes" to a 50 mil ransom for his t1 fit drake. I know so because he didn't pay fast enough and I wasted his ass. If ransom amounts are made public we will lose awesomeness like that. |
Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:14:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Trojanman190
I would remove the isk feature.
Carebears would check out hte board and see that they shouldnt pay X rediculous amount to save their ship.
For example I had a dude say "yes" to a 50 mil ransom for his t1 fit drake. I know so because he didn't pay fast enough and I wasted his ass. If ransom amounts are made public we will lose awesomeness like that.
How many carebears would actually check stuff like that? Hell, 99% of the ones I find don't read the forums or anything enough to know how not to get caught in the first place  |
Modrak Vseth
Veto. |
Posted - 2008.08.12 21:40:00 - [ 5]
Hmm, looks nice and clean. I'd be interested in testing it even if the Dictator doesn't sign off on it. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2008.08.12 21:42:00 - [ 6]
Could you please add a "mining" option for the victim activity?
Looks good otherwise. |
Eomar
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2008.08.12 21:55:00 - [ 7]
Thumbs up from me too. even if the glorious perpetual supreme ruler hasnt yet seen it
do requiar alternate options for amount made,
including, for example,
1x attempt at 'im a little teapot'
1x attempt at 'baby one more time'
and other such essentials |
z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:20:00 - [ 8]
I'd prefer something that plugs into regular killboard. |
Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:53:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Trojanman190
I would remove the isk feature.
That would defeat the purpose of half of it! Originally by: Modrak Vseth
Hmm, looks nice and clean. I'd be interested in testing it even if the Dictator doesn't sign off on it.
Ask him about it and let me know. I would love for you guys to try out the board and I am guessing that half of your victims will wind up being my corp. Do you HAVE to move into our area? :) Originally by: LaVista Vista
Could you please add a "mining" option for the victim activity?
Good suggestion! Will be added in the next update. Originally by: Eomar
do requiar alternate options for amount made,
including, for example,
1x attempt at 'im a little teapot'
1x attempt at 'baby one more time'
and other such essentials
I did consider this. I think the best and most elegant solution right now is to simply add any non-monetary ransom booty to the "comments" section when you submit a ransom. In the future it may possible to implement the ability for admins of a board to add non-money options to a list and designate them a monetary value... ie: "I'm a little teapot on Vent is worth 100,000,000 ISK" and can be selected via a drop down menu. Originally by: z0de
I'd prefer something that plugs into regular killboard.
To be honest, I did not do any investigation to see if Griefwatch or Battleclinic or Eve-Kill or any other KB has an API or the ability to create plug-ins. For now I am going to keep this board in it's own silo but perhaps I will investigate if it is at all possible. Thanks for the input everyone! |
Lars Lodar
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.08.12 23:03:00 - [ 10]
Hey you actually got the ransom board finished! I see that I missed out on a ransom.  Hopefully I can get some ransoms to put on the board. See you in space bud. |
SilentHunter13
The White Coats
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Posted - 2008.08.12 23:57:00 - [ 11]
Yea, not bad. Might see it catching on. Maybe to show your corp is decent when it comes to randoming people and actually lets them go once they done it. I'll use it whenever I get a ransom, which lately I haven't got, people these days always take the "I don't fund pirates" line...Just make a point to get the pod when they say that tbh.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2008.08.13 00:50:00 - [ 12]
As someone who supports ransoming over just mindlessly blowing the **** out of everything the corp comes across, I find this awesome and intriguing.
Is it intended to be a public feature, or will you be selling the application itself for ISK so that people can run it on their own domain?
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 01:01:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Lars Lodar
Hey you actually got the ransom board finished!
I see that I missed out on a ransom.
Hopefully I can get some ransoms to put on the board. See you in space bud.
It is far from finished... it is coming along though :) Originally by: Verone
As someone who supports ransoming over just mindlessly blowing the **** out of everything the corp comes across, I find this awesome and intriguing.
Is it intended to be a public feature, or will you be selling the application itself for ISK so that people can run it on their own domain?
I did consider just creating this as a single instance and allowing everyone and anyone to post their ransom information, sort of like Battleclinic. The problem is that there is no structure at all around it like there is for killmails (although even KM's can be altered and faked). I feel like if I did this then a majority of the entries would be bull and the board would be useless. Instead I have created it with the idea that it will have multiple instances for individuals and/or corporations in the same way that Griefwatch or most other killboards do. People in a corp are much less likely to enter false information in because it defeats the purpose of them even keeping track. I was also considering selling this for ISK per month once it is in a more completed state and either offering to setup and host for a monthly fee or give the package to be hosted by the buyer for a one time fee. I have not worked this idea out completely and even if I did it the price would have to be pretty low as Griefwatch only charges a few million per month and it is considerably more important for a corp to have. Sorry for the long ass answer. I am bored. |
Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2008.08.13 01:12:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: Lars Lodar
Hey you actually got the ransom board finished!
I see that I missed out on a ransom.
Hopefully I can get some ransoms to put on the board. See you in space bud.
It is far from finished... it is coming along though :)
Originally by: Verone
As someone who supports ransoming over just mindlessly blowing the **** out of everything the corp comes across, I find this awesome and intriguing.
Is it intended to be a public feature, or will you be selling the application itself for ISK so that people can run it on their own domain?
I did consider just creating this as a single instance and allowing everyone and anyone to post their ransom information, sort of like Battleclinic. The problem is that there is no structure at all around it like there is for killmails (although even KM's can be altered and faked). I feel like if I did this then a majority of the entries would be bull and the board would be useless.
Instead I have created it with the idea that it will have multiple instances for individuals and/or corporations in the same way that Griefwatch or most other killboards do. People in a corp are much less likely to enter false information in because it defeats the purpose of them even keeping track.
I was also considering selling this for ISK per month once it is in a more completed state and either offering to setup and host for a monthly fee or give the package to be hosted by the buyer for a one time fee. I have not worked this idea out completely and even if I did it the price would have to be pretty low as Griefwatch only charges a few million per month and it is considerably more important for a corp to have.
Sorry for the long ass answer. I am bored.
Sounds good... If you need help testing at all, let me know in game and I'll have our guys start posting some ransoms there and have them throw some feedback your way. Excellent idea tbh. |
UberNero
Gallente
The Python Cartel. |
Posted - 2008.08.13 01:42:00 - [ 15]
Nice too see the progress, not as many place holders as before, cant wait till its done.
And dont worry, ill get around to ransoming a bantam to help bolster the listings. |
Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 03:51:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Verone
Sounds good...
If you need help testing at all, let me know in game and I'll have our guys start posting some ransoms there and have them throw some feedback your way.
Excellent idea tbh.
Deal. I will set you guys up and instance of the board and send you an eve-mail tomorrow with the details. Thanks for the support! ...and UberNero, don't push yourself so hard. Start with ransoming an Ibis and then move up from there. |
Katie Door
the united
Negative Ten. |
Posted - 2008.08.13 05:47:00 - [ 17]
I'd be very interrested to test it, drop me a convo in game (sent ya an eve-mail also) |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.13 07:06:00 - [ 18]
Will be keeping an eye on this project. |
Laari Neros |
Posted - 2008.08.13 07:25:00 - [ 19]
Edited by: Laari Neros on 13/08/2008 11:40:50
Edited by: Laari Neros on 13/08/2008 07:25:50
add IGB support: make victim post ingame, thus making it more secure. Also, make ISK part viewable only to your corpmates, again using IGB headers.
Otherwise, awesome. |
Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 14:01:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Katie Door
I'd be very interrested to test it, drop me a convo in game (sent ya an eve-mail also)
Will contact you tonight in game. Originally by: Laari Neros
add IGB support: make victim post ingame, thus making it more secure. Also, make ISK part viewable only to your corpmates, again using IGB headers.
Otherwise, awesome.
I am not sure about having to post in game but I do like the idea of making it compatible with the in-game board. I will add this to my long and growing list of to-do's :) |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.13 14:14:00 - [ 21]
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/08/2008 14:14:17
This looks totally awesome and I'd love to get ahold of this for my corp.
Please send me an evemail :) |
Ga'len
The Wandering Druid of Tranquility
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Posted - 2008.08.13 16:14:00 - [ 22]
This is an awesome idea, however, I see a possible issue. How to ensure that people are honestly reporting their ransoms?
I love to read the stats on how our corp performs as well as others, but how accurate will the data be? I can see an abuse of epeen waving happen with such a application.
Perhaps a way to have wallet transactions pulled using the API key and allowing the poster to select which transaction was in fact the ransom. That may help to validate that such a ransom occurred.
Sometimes, when the player is very young, we don't ask for isk, we ask for a joke or for them to sing on vent. Can you add that as an option as well, perhaps a ransom type?
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.08.13 16:47:00 - [ 23]
I like it. Ministry of Destruction has been using our forums to keep track of ransoms. Just a few of us seem to bother ransoming, and in many situations there's little time to ransom, so our ransoms are few and far between--but lucrative when they happen. I think an attractive ransom board would encourage more ransoming and less ganking. You can set MOD up with a board please. |
Modrak Vseth
Veto. |
Posted - 2008.08.13 16:48:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Ga'len
This is an awesome idea, however, I see a possible issue. How to ensure that people are honestly reporting their ransoms?
I don't think it's really that big of a problem. If people actually care about keeping this tool up-to-date for them then and about their reputation as people that honor ransoms then they'll probably be more or less honest with the tool. If they don't care, they probably won't bother with the tool at all. It's just like KBs and ransom threads. |
Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 17:58:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Verone
Sounds good...
If you need help testing at all, let me know in game and I'll have our guys start posting some ransoms there and have them throw some feedback your way.
Excellent idea tbh.
Veto Corporation now has an instance of the board set up here: http://www.pcransomboard.com/vetoYes, the color scheme and images suck but I am no artist :) Apoctasy is my art ***** and I will get on him to create a bunch of new banners and buttons for the new boards. I will contact you (Verone) in game tonight with your password so you can start posting ransom information. The United, The Aduro Protocol and Ministry of Destruction, I will be setting up boards for you as well so stay tuned. I am going to close the "beta" submissions for now until everyone who has already asked for a board has been set up and I am sure that things are going smoothly. Thanks to everyone for the replies and support. Check this thread for updates as they come. |
Savage Roar
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:03:00 - [ 26]
your board is... blank?
also what makes me sceptical about the whole thing is the fact that there's no way to verify any of the posts... at least KBs give you the option to api it, but obviously that's not possible here... |
Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:09:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Savage Roar
your board is... blank?
also what makes me sceptical about the whole thing is the fact that there's no way to verify any of the posts... at least KBs give you the option to api it, but obviously that's not possible here...
The Python Cartel Ransom Board has only one entry so far. Hopefully we can start to fill it up soon but you cannot force people to pay the ransom most of the time :) It is true that there is no way to verify which is why I limited things to corporations with a password as opposed to just having one big open board. It doesn't completely solve the problem but people are much less likely to lie when everyone in corp will see what they have posted and when it will defeat the entire purpose of having their own board. One possible future (very far in the future) enhancement would be to let ransoms have a "verified" status. Someone could submit their API information and the app could verify that they actually received a transaction for the amount from the victim and then mark that ransom entry as verified. It is on my list that has already become incredibly long. Lastly, it's spelt "skeptical". Thanks for the input :) |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:22:00 - [ 28]
Excellent, I hope this works out for everyone. Very cool tool. |
Laari Neros |
Posted - 2008.08.14 10:46:00 - [ 29]
Edited by: Laari Neros on 14/08/2008 10:48:29 Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: Laari Neros
add IGB support: make victim post ingame, thus making it more secure. Also, make ISK part viewable only to your corpmates, again using IGB headers.
Otherwise, awesome.
I am not sure about having to post in game but I do like the idea of making it compatible with the in-game board. I will add this to my long and growing list of to-do's :)
No, think about it. It's super easy, since all relevant data (pilot name, corp, alliance, solar system,...) is passed in header. That would: a) make it secure/legit, it's possble to change headers but it's a pain in the ass b) add some insult to the ransom itself: make him accept he's being held by the balls - very nice psychological touch :) edit: here m8, check this out:http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=797977 |
Rehtom Lamina
Mob Thought
The Gurlstas Associates |
Posted - 2008.08.14 11:16:00 - [ 30]
on the subject of api verification, im unsure if you can pull the detail field fromt he wallet transactions but you could always specify that the victim types the reason as "ransom" or "1234" etc etc, if they dont then the isk is assumed to be a donation/gift. then when fetching api info it can only add transactions with "ransom" or "1234" etc and add them to the list.
or
the ransomer (legit word/spelling?) has to add the name of the victim to the system and then the api pulls the data for deposits made by that person. |
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