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Topic |
Andrew Bradim
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [ 1]
make salvage thieving an act of aggression, salvage is commonly over half the income of any one doing an encounter mission and honestly i don't see how anyone can justify allowing these annoying little **** heads to take there salvage w/o permission. and the the rules stated about wrecks not belonging to anyone is bull, it's my kill = it,s my loot = it,s my salvage touche it and ill end you.
-FIX IT- |
Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent |
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:54:00 - [ 2]
It's not theiving any more than mining is theiving. You want to salvage it, salvage it. You want to kill stuff first then that's the risk you take.
The loot is yours, the salvage is not. It's CCP's universe, CCP's rules, like it or lump it.
Feel free to shoot at anyone who does try to take "your" salvage though. Please. |
Andrew Bradim
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:01:00 - [ 3]
 Originally by: Lear Hepburn
It's not theiving any more than mining is theiving. You want to salvage it, salvage it. You want to kill stuff first then that's the risk you take.
The loot is yours, the salvage is not. It's CCP's universe, CCP's rules, like it or lump it.
Feel free to shoot at anyone who does try to take "your" salvage though. Please.
ya k ill kill 4 ships go get my salvager and clean up the mess while tanking 20 more ships cuz lord know its how everyone does it right? -artard these guys are popping into missions (in high sec) and taking as much as they can b4 you notice them course when you do its not like you can do anything about it short of popping all the wrecks and in turn your loot/salvage |
Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:06:00 - [ 4]
Or you could fit a salvager to your current ship and clear up as you go along. If you can't do that then you are biting off more than you can chew.
Salvaging is a profession. CCP say so. If you don't like it then go run missions elsewhere. |
Verys
Burning Technologies
Black Star Alliance |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:10:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Verys on 25/03/2009 23:10:46
Welcome to "Those bad men stole MY salvage" thread number 305919
The answer is no it's not going to happen... never.
CCP stated that salvaging is a mini-profession and wrecks doesn't belong to anyone, they don't need YOUR permission as the WRECK doesn't belong to YOU.
You already make enough cash from the bounties and mods which drop, salvage isn't meant as a extra money source but a components for a mini profession.
By the way you have this nifty little device called a tractor beam with which you can tractor all these wrecks (yes only you) and wait maybe get to them faster than anyone else.
If you wan't THE (not your) salvage that bad get a marauder, use a tractor beam and salvager or get a friend to clean up (this is a mmo after all). |
NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:17:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: NightF0x on 25/03/2009 23:19:02Edited by: NightF0x on 25/03/2009 23:18:37 Originally by: Andrew Bradim
make salvage thieving an act of aggression, salvage is commonly over half the income of any one doing an encounter mission and honestly i don't see how anyone can justify allowing these annoying little **** heads to take there salvage w/o permission. and the the rules stated about wrecks not belonging to anyone is bull, it's my kill = it,s my loot = it,s my salvage touche it and ill end you.
-FIX IT-
How about this response from CCP? Next time do a search. There have been like 5 threads in the past week on this ******ed topic http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=971872&page=1#30 Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK?
It's not.
It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.
Simple solution to the non-issue.
Please don't take this as any bashing just for suggesting ideas. I have nothing against brainstorming on the forums. However, I'm going to let you in on a little CCP non-secret which is: "NPE". 
EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze. However, it's also accepted that, on top of the intended complexity, the tools and rules you play with/by aren't highly intuative. You are suggesting a dual functionality.. one for newbies and another for vets (of course you did not say that, however just because some people chill in newb corps and ain't newbs doesn't mean we should punish the new players) and to compound the inherent confusion in that the newbie functionality is more hostile and more open to griefing than the veteran functionality. It shouldn't be much different.. and if it had to be it should be the other way around.
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Andrew Bradim
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:19:00 - [ 7]
k guess i should just get into the salvage thieving game hopefully eventually there will be so many of us ****ing off so many ppl they will change the ownership guidelines of a wreck
miserable cancer to all and to all a slow death! |
Verys
Burning Technologies
Black Star Alliance |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:27:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Andrew Bradim
k guess i should just get into the salvage thieving game hopefully eventually there will be so many of us ****ing off so many ppl they will change the ownership guidelines of a wreck
miserable cancer to all and to all a slow death!
It's just a game no need to get all this worked up about it... And a good night to you to. |
Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:36:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Andrew Bradim
k guess i should just get into the salvage thieving game hopefully eventually there will be so many of us ****ing off so many ppl they will change the ownership guidelines of a wreck
miserable cancer to all and to all a slow death!
You appear to be missing the point. This is a GAME. You are here to have FUN. If mission running is what you enjoy, carry on. If salvaging is what you enjoy, carry on. ISK is not real, nor is it a way of "keeping score". When it stops being FUN stop PLAYING. Good night. |
Andrew Bradim
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:51:00 - [ 10]
ok.. to let you understand how i am seeing this,
your out in the wilderness naked in the middle of winter. seemingly by yourself you track a deer, you somehow manage to kill the deer, and as you are ready to skin (salvage) and harvest the meat (loot) someone magically come and take the hide, now you are left with a skinless deer you have as much food as you need but now that you are without the hide you freeze to death in the snow. its an extreme point of view but its my point of view and im sure others agree with me but as it seams more people don't then do (probably since they thieve themselves) |
Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent |
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:53:00 - [ 11]
Edited by: Lear Hepburn on 25/03/2009 23:53:45Edited by: Lear Hepburn on 25/03/2009 23:53:23 Originally by: Andrew Bradim
ok.. to let you understand how i am seeing this,
your out in the wilderness naked in the middle of winter. seemingly by yourself you track a deer, you somehow manage to kill the deer, and as you are ready to skin (salvage) and harvest the meat (loot) someone magically come and take the hide, now you are left with a skinless deer you have as much food as you need but now that you are without the hide you freeze to death in the snow. its an extreme point of view but its my point of view and im sure others agree with me but as it seams more people don't then do (probably since they thieve themselves)
Even if I go with your analogy, you've killed ONE deer. If, on killing that deer, you take the meat and skin it then you get all your stuff. However, if you go on a genocidal anti-deer rampage and kill twenty of them without taking the skin or meat then don't be surprised if you come back to the first carcass to find the wolves have been at it. Same applies with wrecks. |
NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
|
Posted - 2009.03.25 23:53:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Andrew Bradim
ok.. to let you understand how i am seeing this,
your out in the wilderness naked in the middle of winter. seemingly by yourself you track a deer, you somehow manage to kill the deer, and as you are ready to skin (salvage) and harvest the meat (loot) someone magically come and take the hide, now you are left with a skinless deer you have as much food as you need but now that you are without the hide you freeze to death in the snow. its an extreme point of view but its my point of view and im sure others agree with me but as it seams more people don't then do (probably since they thieve themselves)
That may be your perspective but it's not CCP's. Salvage isn't guaranteed income from missions and Prism even states so in the quote that I posted. |
Andrew Bradim
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.03.26 00:01:00 - [ 13]
well in this case if you stop to skin the deer the rest of them will come and trample you so that's not an option and my point of post the suggestion in the suggestion section is to change an aspect of the game may it be a rule, graphic related, or mechanic related. just because the rules state something doesn't mean one cant suggest an alteration of a game aspect that would alter a rule and if it does then all suggestions should be discounted and this section of the forums shut down. |
NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
|
Posted - 2009.03.26 00:06:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Andrew Bradim
well in this case if you stop to skin the deer the rest of them will come and trample you so that's not an option and my point of post the suggestion in the suggestion section is to change an aspect of the game may it be a rule, graphic related, or mechanic related. just because the rules state something doesn't mean one cant suggest an alteration of a game aspect that would alter a rule and if it does then all suggestions should be discounted and this section of the forums shut down.
The chances that CCP is willing to destroy a working profession is very rare, unless something is seriously flawed, which it isn't. There are just a handful of players that are too greedy for their own good and won't invest in other options to salvage quicker. There are mauraders that have more high-slots than most BS's. You can finish a pocket then salvage, finish next pocket then salvage...etc (I do this with my alt). You can train up an alt that does nothing but hang back and salvage for you as you go. There are a ton of options available if you really want your precious salvage. |
Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent |
Posted - 2009.03.26 00:08:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Andrew Bradim
well in this case if you stop to skin the deer the rest of them will come and trample you so that's not an option
Then you've bitten off more than you can chew, like I said. If you want certainty of reward then you take less risk - do easier missions where you can salvage as you go. If you want higher rewards then you take the risk of doing harder missions but you might not get the salvage. You can't have your cake and eat it. Quote:
and my point of post the suggestion in the suggestion section is to change an aspect of the game may it be a rule, graphic related, or mechanic related. just because the rules state something doesn't mean one cant suggest an alteration of a game aspect that would alter a rule and if it does then all suggestions should be discounted and this section of the forums shut down.
I agree you can suggest it. I personally just don't think that your suggestion is in the spirit of the game. It appears I am in agreement with CCP. |
Verys
Burning Technologies
Black Star Alliance |
Posted - 2009.03.26 00:09:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Verys on 26/03/2009 00:09:47 Originally by: Andrew Bradim
well in this case if you stop to skin the deer the rest of them will come and trample you so that's not an option and my point of post the suggestion in the suggestion section is to change an aspect of the game may it be a rule, graphic related, or mechanic related. just because the rules state something doesn't mean one cant suggest an alteration of a game aspect that would alter a rule and if it does then all suggestions should be discounted and this section of the forums shut down.
Your argument is being discounted on these counter arguments: - High-sec doesn't need a buff, salvaging is a mini profession not for missioners to make even more money. - You already have tractor beams and marauders to give you an edge over anyone who comes in to salvage wrecks in a mission you are doing. - CCP has stated what they're opinions are and why they shouldn't be changed and many share this opinion. - If someone says this thread has come up way too often, it actually means something Stop trying to fix a non-issue and focus on ideas for real issues. |
Robert Caldera |
Posted - 2009.03.26 00:11:00 - [ 17]
another ****head thinking the salvage is his.
Its not meant to be mission reward its free 4 all so you have to compete for the wrecks if you want them. |
Johli
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance |
Posted - 2009.03.26 01:08:00 - [ 18]
I'm thinking about making a collage of all the whine topics and putting it so it forms the picture of a wreck and a ninjasalvager salvaging it. |
CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2009.03.26 01:40:00 - [ 19]
Locked.
Salvaging is a viable mini-profession in EVE, something that has been repeatedly been confirmed.
There is no new idea or feature to discuss so the thread is locked. |
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