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Topic |
Carcosa Hali
Order of Anarchy
The Laughing Men |
Posted - 2009.09.21 19:02:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Carcosa Hali on 21/09/2009 19:39:06
*chiaroscuric footage of a rolling ocean plays as a low brassy sound hums in the background. This continues throughout the transmission*
....as Vikarion to you was another name to us. Something we could not be, if not someone. With the loss of this last ambassador, the most genuine by far, there was no recourse left to us. There is simply no place to be. It was good while it lasted. Anyone can be wrong. Having one to always count on, one on which to rely. We trusted too greatly in this belief it would seem. To hear, at last, that vengeance had sought him already.. consequence falling like hammer blows. Too great the wrath, her liberation lies imminent.. He would serve no longer.... our needs must had it. None can escape Truth.
Rejoice Aria...
With your foul words and petty lies you have stolen all. You have succeeded in shuttering the last of the ones that would come in peace.. them that would seek to find another road. So great your vanity, so deep your hubris, that you would destroy all you could hope for. You selfish myopic grief stricken fool. You have stolen purpose, you have ground direction, you who have strangled every drop of breath from what could be. what should be.
Rejoice. you have murdered me. murdered me.
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*myriad patterns rapidly strobe for 6.1578348993 seconds* |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
Naraka. |
Posted - 2009.09.21 21:04:00 - [ 2]
Ah, dear.
Ms. Hali ... what precisely do you think I told Vikarion? |
Sahaquiel Faust
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor |
Posted - 2009.09.21 21:23:00 - [ 3]
You know, I've never really noticed this before, but you two look eerily similar. |
Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard |
Posted - 2009.09.22 00:59:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust
You know, I've never really noticed this before, but you two look eerily similar.
Sibling rivalry, perhaps? |
Ruby Amatucci
Tomorrowland Orphanage
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Posted - 2009.09.22 01:26:00 - [ 5]
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Ah, dear.
Ms. Hali ... what precisely do you think I told Vikarion?
This is your fault. It is all your fault. Monster. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
Naraka. |
Posted - 2009.09.22 05:09:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 22/09/2009 05:10:18 Originally by: Ruby Amatucci
This is your fault.
It is all your fault.
Monster.
Yes, Vikarion warned me this would happen. But you and Ms. Hali give me too much credit, Ms. Amatucci. What I did was to have a few discussions with Vikarion on philosophy, and most particularly the place of the capsuleer in our society. He is a perceptive man, and lies are oh-so-fragile. I have difficulty imagining the lie I could trust in dealing with him, certainly in the long term. At most, I suggested possibilities; his own very able brain took care of the rest. Still, I do not mind taking on the position of the monstrous trickster if that is what you need for the universe to make sense. It's an improvement over being thought of as a pathetic, revenge-mad jilted lover in deep denial. One role is as true as the other. If illusions are comforting to you, think as you wish. |
Vikarion
Caldari
Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.09.22 05:20:00 - [ 7]
White Rose Society is not dead. Ms. Petra Bealer has assumed CEO duties, and, as I understand, intends to continue the purpose for which it was founded.
I am sorry, as in, sorrowful, but I could not do other than I have done. My decision is made, and I cannot return. I am convinced, not coerced through violence or deceit. And yet, I am truthful when I say that I miss my former comrades, all of you, even though I think you are mistaken.
We are not fit, Hali, Ruby...to be builders of a Nation. The True Citizens will either dominate us or be dominated by us. I would...urge you to join me, if I did not know that you would not. Hali, because you believe differently. Ruby, because you are an odd but sweet and gentle soul, and, perhaps, might never fall to what we, on whole, tend to be.
Nevertheless, may I be wrong. May you succeed in creating a Nation that proves me incorrect. But I do not believe, I no longer believe, and an untrue believer makes a pitiful tool or leader.
Hali, I do wish you...a willingness to see, and the courage to stand for what you believe to be true. Be what you are.
And I am sorry, so very sorry, Ruby, for...everything. |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
The Confederate Navy
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Posted - 2009.09.22 05:23:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 22/09/2009 05:29:02
So in other words, you fell as the Sansha did?
Hmmmmmmmmm
*coughs loudly* I mean, oh, CEO changes. Interesting.
--Isaac |
Vikarion
Caldari
Chorus of Nephilim
|
Posted - 2009.09.22 05:32:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
So in other words, you fell as the Sansha did?
Hmmmmmmmmm
--Isaac
I am not sure I understand. Could you explain? |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
The Confederate Navy
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Posted - 2009.09.22 05:39:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
So in other words, you fell as the Sansha did?
Hmmmmmmmmm
--Isaac
I am not sure I understand. Could you explain?
I spoke too soon. I was under the mistaken impression that the White Rose was dying and thus that the corporation had ceased. What I failed to realize is what Carcosa meant. That she was displeased with the White Rose Society. If I am mistaken, my apologies. But the message was rather cryptic. --Isaac |
Vikarion
Caldari
Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.09.22 07:00:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
I spoke too soon. I was under the mistaken impression that the White Rose was dying and thus that the corporation had ceased. What I failed to realize is what Carcosa meant. That she was displeased with the White Rose Society.
If I am mistaken, my apologies. But the message was rather cryptic.
--Isaac
White Rose was my creation, my dream. She is "displeased" with the fact that I have left Sansha's Nation, and the White Rose Society. |
Kimochi Rendar
Ghost Festival |
Posted - 2009.09.22 12:15:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Carcosa Hali
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*myriad patterns rapidly strobe for 6.1578348993 seconds*
Goodness... I do believe the poor thing has broken! Perhaps we should try to put her back together? |
Broken Doll |
Posted - 2009.09.22 12:24:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
Goodness... I do believe the poor thing has broken! Perhaps we should try to put her back together?
A marionette without its manipulator tends to fall. If it is made of fragile stuff, it tends to shatter. Broken? Fractured in a cascade of shards perhaps. Strings cut, without will of its own, limp for lack of motivation. Mister Vikarion, you do put on a good show. My manipulator is pleased. Give Miss Jenneth her regards. |
Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2009.09.22 12:25:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust
You know, I've never really noticed this before, but you two look eerily similar.
 Holy... |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka. |
Posted - 2009.09.22 14:37:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust
You know, I've never really noticed this before, but you two look eerily similar.
There is a clear difference in the eye colors as well as eyebrows. A common mistake made by members of another race to see just similarities. Took me a while to keep certain Gallenteans apart as well. Except Ethan, he really stands out from all the rest.  |
Morwen Lagann
Ghost Festival
Naraka. |
Posted - 2009.09.22 16:28:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Except Ethan, he really stands out from all the rest.
... literally. All seven feet of him. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Exalted. |
Posted - 2009.09.22 22:55:00 - [ 17]
This display of despair doesn't become you, Hali. You're a rational creature, so act like one. If your identity hinged so much on Vikarion, it was due for a reform in any case. Vikarion's departure is hardly a disaster. Trust between free-willed minds is a fragile thing, and almost always eventually betrayed. If nothing else, see this as a useful lesson about the dangers of investing yourself emotionally in another person. Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Still, I do not mind taking on the position of the monstrous trickster if that is what you need for the universe to make sense. It's an improvement over being thought of as a pathetic, revenge-mad jilted lover in deep denial.
Not that I personally would accuse you of either, Aria - but the two aren't mutually exclusive. They could even complement each other. |
Sinjin Mokk
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.23 00:16:00 - [ 18]
God, by the power of your word you stilled the chaos of the primeval universe; you make the raging tachyons of the singularity subside, and calm the storms of asteroids. As we commit the body of our sister Carcosa Hali to the deep, grant her peace and tranquility until that day when she and all who believe in you will be raised to the glory of new life promised in the quantum strings of Amarr. We ask this through the memory of Dano Gheinok. Amen. |
Petra Bealer
Garoun Investment Bank |
Posted - 2009.09.23 01:49:00 - [ 19]
It's... you know, there's probably been some confusion. To be sure I wasn't planning on this. So... I should say some things kind of offici... I guess I'm as official as we get now, aren't I. All right, here we go then.
White Rose Society and myself have not changed where our allegiances lie. For the time being we're continuing all the programs we have going, including Significance. Long term, hell. I won't pretend to have any grand plan, but I'm going to do the best I can.
The rest, well. Vikarion said that his decision is made and that he cannot return. With no disrespect intended... I for one am going to wait and hope for the day that he's proven wrong. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
|
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:56:00 - [ 20]
Is it just me, or is Sansha's Nation losing capsuleer followers all over the place?
I will be enternally thankful if that particular crazy fad is over.
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Petra Bealer
Garoun Investment Bank |
Posted - 2009.09.26 17:58:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Is it just me, or is Sansha's Nation losing capsuleer followers all over the place?
I will be enternally thankful if that particular crazy fad is over.
One member of nation, dream living on, blah blah, etcetera. I'm sure I don't need to tell someone who's been around as long as you have that these things go in cycles. |
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2009.09.27 03:09:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Petra Bealer
One member of nation, dream living on, blah blah, etcetera. I'm sure I don't need to tell someone who's been around as long as you have that these things go in cycles.
Cycles can be broken. Have you not learned as much as you can from this recursion? |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2009.09.27 07:27:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust
You know, I've never really noticed this before, but you two look eerily similar.
There is a clear difference in the eye colors as well as eyebrows. A common mistake made by members of another race to see just similarities. Took me a while to keep certain Gallenteans apart as well. Except Ethan, he really stands out from all the rest.
Although, haven't you noticed that while some capsuleers keep their replacement bodies looking exactly like their original one others tend to... How shall I say it... Get a cosmetic upgrade every time they clone, gravitating towards their cultural concept of beauty. I mean, Amarrians aren't THAT likely to have a receding hairline or have their hair go white at such a young age. Not every Civire male is square-jawed and has the ability to grow perfect 3 day stubble. Not every gallente has cheekbones that prominent. |
Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.27 09:02:00 - [ 24]
I should be rejoicing at this fall.
Yet, I see your words, Vikarion. They speak of a dream dying in the desert sun. Yet even as I would seek to shoot it in the face, I would wince as the trigger was pulled.
You have seen a truth of human nature. It was that nature that made your dream (and Kuvakei's in my opnion) untenable. Seeing this truth does not make anything easier to bear. Truth is never the remover of burdens we ever wish it to be; truth makes any weight heavy beyond imagining. |
Carcosa Hali
Order of Anarchy
The Laughing Men |
Posted - 2009.10.01 11:05:00 - [ 25]
null Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Is it just me, or is Sansha's Nation losing capsuleer followers all over the place?
I will be enternally thankful if that particular crazy fad is over.
Oh I wouldn't say that it's over. *she smiles and steps away from the camera drone, revealing a cargo hold stacked with hundreds of detention cells* |
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
|
Posted - 2009.10.01 17:48:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Graelyn
Yet, I see your words, Vikarion. They speak of a dream dying in the desert sun. Yet even as I would seek to shoot it in the face, I would wince as the trigger was pulled.
You have seen a truth of human nature. It was that nature that made your dream (and Kuvakei's in my opnion) untenable. Seeing this truth does not make anything easier to bear. Truth is never the remover of burdens we ever wish it to be; truth makes any weight heavy beyond imagining.
Such is the folly of emotions. They weaken us. They make us second guess our path, our purpose. They keep us from doing what must be done. "Kuvakei's Dream" is simply that of a humanity unburdened by conscience. A humanity unburdened by emotion. The True Slaves took this further, by unburdening humanity of it's most dangerous, most unpleasant work. It freed those who were skilled in other areas to do their work without worry or fear. Look at your own people, Graelyn. Is that not their goal? To uplift humanity, to bring them closer to God, to unburden them of their sins? Is that not why they use slaves, so that the True Amarr may lead without worry of wasting their wisdom and insight, so that they may guide and teach? Originally by: Carcosa Hali
Oh I wouldn't say that it's over.
One can dream. Only actions can make those dreams reality. Can your actions bring your dreams to life? |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
Naraka. |
Posted - 2009.10.02 02:43:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Carcosa Hali
Oh I wouldn't say that it's over.
*she smiles and steps away from the camera drone, revealing a cargo hold stacked with hundreds of detention cells*
Oh, now this is lovely. Just when I'd pretty well retired from trying to publicize how dangerous the Nation is, the Nation itself picks up the torch. Ms. Ruutarhara: Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Such is the folly of emotions. They weaken us. They make us second guess our path, our purpose. They keep us from doing what must be done. "Kuvakei's Dream" is simply that of a humanity unburdened by conscience. A humanity unburdened by emotion.
Oh, dear. Ms. Ruutarhara ... why in all the worlds would such a thing be desirable? Emotions play a vast role in our lives, much greater than you seem to give them credit for. Preferences are emotional, based on such emotions as fear and desire. Through emotions, goals are established and pursued. A nonsentient computer, a logic system in its purest form, does not suffer from doubt or grief, it's true, but neither can it set its own processes in motion: it requires direction. If all outcomes are equally acceptable, no reason exists to pursue one over another-- or act at all. Our emotions are no longer so closely tailored to our survival instincts, it's true; we want many things that are bad for us. However, to cast emotion aside entirely is to cast aside preference-- and that way lies only apathy, all action rendered truly arbitrary. Or did you just mean a segment of humanity...? |
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
|
Posted - 2009.10.02 08:03:00 - [ 28]
Quote:
Oh, now this is lovely.
Just when I'd pretty well retired from trying to publicize how dangerous the Nation is, the Nation itself picks up the torch.
As always, Miss Jenneth, you fail to see the obvious. It is not the Nation that is dangerous in this instance, it is the instability of it's all-too-human followers. Such a simple thing isn't it? To assume the tree to be sick when but a branch is affected. Cutting off the branch saves the tree, however unaesthetic it may be; whereas cutting down the tree may stop the problem, but the tree may grow back. There is no guarantee that what grows back will not be more sick, more "demented". Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Oh, dear.
Ms. Ruutarhara ... why in all the worlds would such a thing be desirable?
Emotions play a vast role in our lives, much greater than you seem to give them credit for. Preferences are emotional, based on such emotions as fear and desire. Through emotions, goals are established and pursued.
A nonsentient computer, a logic system in its purest form, does not suffer from doubt or grief, it's true, but neither can it set its own processes in motion: it requires direction. If all outcomes are equally acceptable, no reason exists to pursue one over another-- or act at all.
Our emotions are no longer so closely tailored to our survival instincts, it's true; we want many things that are bad for us. However, to cast emotion aside entirely is to cast aside preference-- and that way lies only apathy, all action rendered truly arbitrary.
Or did you just mean a segment of humanity...?
Rampant emotion is dangerous. You yourself are testament to that aren't you Child of Naught? We wonder, what rampant emotion sent you down your path, what disappointment made you turn your back on your humanity. It is the conundrum of your statements. You continually state your belief that you are separate from humanity, but humanity is your first argument against something you disagree with. At least, when it comes to concepts of moving beyond the current status quo. No, you miss my point. Sansha Kuvakei was a fool. The thoughtless application of his ideals is what led to the Nation's fall. Like most humans, he lacked patience and foresight. What wonders could he and his Nation have achieved if he had moved more slowly? If he had made less sacrifice in the name of progress and more in the name of survival? We shall never know, but he made his mistakes. They are done with. What is left in his wake are the very abominations he and his Nation were destroyed for. No, the Nation is not the answer. The Nation presents the question. How do we overcome such basic emotions, the limits they set on our actions, and still retain that which is necessary for us to not only survive but to thrive? We should talk Miss Jenneth. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Exalted. |
Posted - 2009.10.02 14:13:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
No, you miss my point. Sansha Kuvakei was a fool. The thoughtless application of his ideals is what led to the Nation's fall. Like most humans, he lacked patience and foresight. What wonders could he and his Nation have achieved if he had moved more slowly? If he had made less sacrifice in the name of progress and more in the name of survival? We shall never know, but he made his mistakes. They are done with. What is left in his wake are the very abominations he and his Nation were destroyed for.
Oh, please. It's strange how easily even many intelligent people like yourself uncritically swallow the story about how Sansha's Nation was destroyed on account of the True Slaves and Sansha Kuvakei's experiments. If you look at the political landscape of the time, you've got four great interstellar powers (and a minor one, the Khanid Kingdom) just establishing formal diplomatic relations with each other and still in the process of settling into an uneasy peace - or cold war - after two separate civil wars. These powers formed two blocs in order to maintain an equally uneasy balance of power and to keep the cold war cold. Sansha's Nation was founded while this situation was still in the process of stabilizing, and its mere existence, to say nothing of its unprecedentedly rapid growth across three regions of space was unquestionably a serious potential threat to the delicate balance between the central powers. In addition, migration to Sansha's Nation must have presented a serious drain on the human resources of all the central powers - resources that were in high demand and short supply given the recent ravages of war. The solution? Nip the Nation in the bud, and do it brutally enough that any other starry-eyed dreamer with notions of a better home away from home would think twice before attempting anything of the sort again. But presenting the true realpolitikal reasoning behind this undertaking wasn't something that would win support for it among an already war-weary and disaffected populace who were - as the massive migration to the Nation during the period clearly shows - quite positively inclined towards the Nation. This is where the True Slaves come in, of course. Their existence made it possible for the leaders of the central powers to masquerade what was really a war for the sake of political stability as a war in defense of "humanity" itself, and consequently to gain popular support for it as well as establishing an efficient rhetoric to quell any dissenting voices. So if it hadn't been for the True Slaves, would the central powers have failed to gain popular support for the war? Might the Nation even have survived? Of course not. Its mere existence was a political wild card that simply couldn't be accepted by the central power leaders. The True Slaves gave them a golden excuse to attack, but if they'd been deprived of that excuse, they would have found, or even invented, another one. They simply couldn't have afforded not to destroy the Nation, regardless of its "true nature". The entire concept of "righteous war" is utter fantasy. No wars are ever fought for the sake of noble ideals. The same goes for the tired old expression of "fighting for something greater than oneself" - nobody does that. To summarize: Sansha's Nation wasn't attacked because of the True Slaves. It was attacked because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is all. |
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:49:00 - [ 30]
Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 02/10/2009 16:30:54 Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
As always, Miss Jenneth, you fail to see the obvious. It is not the Nation that is dangerous in this instance, it is the instability of it's all-too-human followers. Such a simple thing isn't it? To assume the tree to be sick when but a branch is affected. Cutting off the branch saves the tree, however unaesthetic it may be; whereas cutting down the tree may stop the problem, but the tree may grow back. There is no guarantee that what grows back will not be more sick, more "demented".
Good to see your limited intellect is still ignoring rather obvious analogies, Pilot Katla. Loyalty to a man and not a Nation is your fault; buying into your own propaganda is another. We remember you, and we laugh. The Nation was a beautiful dream; how sad that you cannot see that beauty for the cold logical errors you cling to. The Nation was not Kuvakei; Kuvakei was not the Nation. Simply because I deny the man does not mean I deny the dream, nor the product of that dream. Perhaps you should focus on understanding what it is I say before attacking it, yes? It is also unimportant what the "real reason" for the Nation's fall was. Your own beliefs cloud your judgment and your analysis, so it is useless to me; it is however damaging to the ideals I believe in. It is damaging to the ideals I see as so beautiful and poetic. Does The Voice still call so strongly that it would deafen you to reason?The Nation was attacked for what it was, what it was doing, and who was leading it down that path. It is sad that so much death was caused to bring an end to one man's vision; a vision slowly spiraling dangerously out of control. I am not interested in your flawed analysis; it is fact that if the Nation had not strove to achieve in a lifetime what would have been more efficiently achieved in several, it would have survived. As I said, less sacrifice in the name of progress and more in the name of survival. We are not interested in your reply, but others may be. Please, feel free to rebut but we will not repeat ourselves another time. My apologies to Carcosa Hali for this. |
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