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Pater Deus Gallente Garden Of Bonsai	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:23:00 - [1] Anyone killed and Obelisk? How long before one is killed? With how many pilots? I fly one, in high sec of course, and was wondering if it is safe to fly it AFK overnight loaded.
Gun Hog Caldari Ardent Industrial DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:29:00 - [2] If you AP a pile of bricks like that overnight, you probably are not going to get very far... As for the risk factor, it depends on what you have loaded, as most gankers would scan you before considering a you target. My advice to you is that if you are going to do this, do NOT carry anything expensive!
xxxak Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Pater Deus Anyone killed and Obelisk? How long before one is killed? With how many pilots? I fly one, in high sec of course, and was wondering if it is safe to fly it AFK overnight loaded. There are two ways to get ganked in high sec: 1) really **** off a lot of people 2) Carry an expensive load. It takes about 10-20 battleships to kill a freighter in high sec, so unless you are carrying 2-3 billion, its unlikely that you will get ganked.
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:49:00 - [4] I think I've only popped one obelisk, we were flying with BoB at the time and it was in low sec, not entirely a fair representation of survivability.. You could probably get away with it, though put a whole lot of crap in it for such journeyes. E.g. use large quantity items (ammo etc), that are worthless to the suicder unless they have a freighter alt to make profit from the quantity (though it would still take ages to earn them much).
Pater Deus Gallente Garden Of Bonsai	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:57:00 - [5] Originally by: xxxak 2) Carry an expensive load. It takes about 10-20 battleships to kill a freighter in high sec, so unless you are carrying 2-3 billion, its unlikely that you will get ganked. Wouldn't Concord defend the Obelisk and dispose of the 10-20 BS in a zzzap!? .
Red Thunder tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.13 17:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Pater Deus Originally by: xxxak 2) Carry an expensive load. It takes about 10-20 battleships to kill a freighter in high sec, so unless you are carrying 2-3 billion, its unlikely that you will get ganked. Wouldn't Concord defend the Obelisk and dispose of the 10-20 BS in a zzzap!? . yes they would, but the freighter would pop before all the bs's die.
Pater Deus Gallente Garden Of Bonsai	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Red Thunder Wouldn't Concord defend the Obelisk and dispose of the 10-20 BS in a zzzap!? . yes they would, but the freighter would pop before all the bs's die. I´ve been searching in several killboards and no freighters seem to be killed. So one of my initial questions stands, how long before the Obelisk (freighter) pops?
Ocerdyn Apolitical	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Pater Deus Originally by: Red Thunder Wouldn't Concord defend the Obelisk and dispose of the 10-20 BS in a zzzap!? . yes they would, but the freighter would pop before all the bs's die. I´ve been searching in several killboards and no freighters seem to be killed. So one of my initial questions stands, how long before the Obelisk (freighter) pops? 20 battleships can alpha or 2x alpha and pop a freighter. if there is a gang setup prepared to kill an AFK freighter and they find one that is carrying enough to replace 50-100m in ships, then you will lose your freighter.
Daquaris Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Pater Deus Originally by: Red Thunder Wouldn't Concord defend the Obelisk and dispose of the 10-20 BS in a zzzap!? . yes they would, but the freighter would pop before all the bs's die. I´ve been searching in several killboards and no freighters seem to be killed. So one of my initial questions stands, how long before the Obelisk (freighter) pops? Here's at least one time it's happened
Ocerdyn Apolitical	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Daquaris Originally by: Pater Deus Originally by: Red Thunder Wouldn't Concord defend the Obelisk and dispose of the 10-20 BS in a zzzap!? . yes they would, but the freighter would pop before all the bs's die. I´ve been searching in several killboards and no freighters seem to be killed. So one of my initial questions stands, how long before the Obelisk (freighter) pops? Here's at least one time it's happened See. 20 ravens 1 geddon... and only 1/4th of them were killed BEFORE the Obelisk is popped.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:36:00 - [11] Looks like (post Dominion): - 16 T2 fit Tempests will volley a max skilled Obelisk - 22 T2 fit Tempests will volley a max skilled Obelisk with HG Slaves + max skilled mindlinked Damnation - 23 Totally T1 fit Tempests will volley a max skilled Obelisk - 27 Totally T1 fit Tempests will volley a max skilled Obelisk with HG Slaves + max skilled mindlinked Damnation -Liang
Shanems3	Posted - 2009.10.13 21:13:00 - [12] Why not just put everything in Freighter containers, When they scan you , all they will see is containers... They will never know the value of your load.. Might make them think twice about ganking you. But I personally would not AFK a freighter in high sector.
Daquaris Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.10.13 21:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Shanems3 Why not just put everything in Freighter containers, When they scan you , all they will see is containers... They will never know the value of your load.. Might make them think twice about ganking you. But I personally would not AFK a freighter in high sector. Probably because you can see in containers on a ship scan. The only thing you cannot scan is corp hangars in orcas / carriers etc.
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.10.13 21:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 13/10/2009 21:39:40 Here is a video of the killmail posted earlier in the thread. http://secure.xfire.com/video/111cf1/
Pater Deus Gallente Garden Of Bonsai	Posted - 2009.10.13 22:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Ocerdyn I´ve been searching in several killboards and no freighters seem to be killed. So one of my initial questions stands, how long before the Obelisk (freighter) pops? Here's at least one time it's happened See. 20 ravens 1 geddon... and only 1/4th of them were killed BEFORE the Obelisk is popped. So the conclusion is Concord has no firepower to defend from gankers if them are above twenty and have BS... I do not fly AFK, never again, after I lost an Ity cargoload last year sometime, but was curious about Concord having time to zphook everyone in time. I noticed in the killboard that the grand loss was for the attackers. thnks, now we cannot rely on Concord. We cannot even insure the damn thing.
Stella Draconis	Posted - 2009.10.13 22:23:00 - [16] Get rid of the Obelisk and fly a jump freighter afk in high sec. Fewer worries.
Helen Resonance. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2009.10.13 22:41:00 - [17] Eurgh not another one. CONCORD brings retribution and consequence. CONCORD will not always save you from dying in high sec if people want you dead. If you can't afford to insure it well that's your problem.
Madmi CEO	Posted - 2009.10.14 10:22:00 - [18] The police in your home town cannot guarantee that if a gang of 20 people go berserk with machine guns on a busy street, they will show up and neutralize them before any civilians are killed. But the police can guarantee you that the 20 people are punished for what they did. The only way to make it completely safe for civilians is to make it impossible to fire on a non-outlaw/war target in high-sec. And that would be boring wouldn't it?
Rock urSocksoff FAN CLUB Estamel Tharchon Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.14 11:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Madmi CEO But the police can guarantee you that the 20 people are punished for what they did. What fantasy world are you living in?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2009.10.14 12:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Pater Deus So the conclusion is Concord has no firepower to defend from gankers if them are above twenty and have BS... It has less to do with the firepower of Concord and more to do with the tank of your ship. Concord's role isn't to defend you — that's your job — so the firepower they have is entirely adequate for their purpose. Quote: I do not fly AFK, never again, after I lost an Ity cargoload last year sometime, but was curious about Concord having time to zphook everyone in time. I noticed in the killboard that the grand loss was for the attackers. Rather unlucky that. Still, I'd be surprised if the total loss per character was more than 20-30mil, so it was certainly a worth-while gamble. Quote: thnks, now we cannot rely on Concord. "Now"? You never could, and you never will. It's a valuable lesson, though, so take it to heart and welcome to EVE (even if it's a year late)
Kam Hadam	Posted - 2009.10.14 12:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Kam Hadam on 14/10/2009 12:31:09 ive seen a fenrir get poped by about 25bs all Domi's with T2 sentry and T2 Fit Torp ravens it went down in seconds. they also had a freighter to pick up teh loot and colect all of there drops oh it was in Niarja also, a favorite spot of gankers
LordInvisible Gallente Nova Ardour	Posted - 2009.10.14 18:52:00 - [22] freighter cannot load into his cargohold outside station or corporate hangar..
Mia Restolo	Posted - 2009.10.14 20:41:00 - [23] Originally by: LordInvisible freighter cannot load into his cargohold outside station or corporate hangar.. ..or from a popped freighter in space...
Jojo Jackson	Posted - 2009.10.14 21:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Rock urSocksoff Originally by: Madmi CEO But the police can guarantee you that the 20 people are punished for what they did. What fantasy world are you living in? As soon as you don't live in the US it has nothink to do with fantasy ;).
Acacia Vasser Gallente Dominium Brotherhood Ihatalo Cartel Navy	Posted - 2009.10.14 21:10:00 - [25] Question for everyone, has anyone tried to salvage a frieghter wreck before?? I've never gotten the chance to try to salvage one before but have salvaged dreads and carriers before successfully but recently wasn't able to salvage that a frieghter wreck I came across. It gave me a warning about it containing more m3 of salvage than what could fit into a cargo container thus I couldn't salvage it. What's up with that??
Xetal Maelstrom	Posted - 2009.10.14 22:49:00 - [26] Concord's police response is fine. The only issue I have with the entire situation is Concord paying insurance to ships that they themselves killed.
Thea Arsoniztik Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.10.14 22:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Acacia Vasser Question for everyone, has anyone tried to salvage a frieghter wreck before?? I've never gotten the chance to try to salvage one before but have salvaged dreads and carriers before successfully but recently wasn't able to salvage that a frieghter wreck I came across. It gave me a warning about it containing more m3 of salvage than what could fit into a cargo container thus I couldn't salvage it. What's up with that?? You can salvage a freighter wreck if the amount of loot in the wreck can fit into a single cargo container; otherwise, you will need to loot the wreck first. The reason for this is that once you successfully salvage a ship, any leftover loot in the cargohold of the shipwreck gets jettisoned into a cargo can.
Silou Nia	Posted - 2009.10.14 23:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Xetal Maelstrom Concord's police response is fine. The only issue I have with the entire situation is Concord paying insurance to ships that they themselves killed. QFT
Rock urSocksoff FAN CLUB Estamel Tharchon Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.15 01:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Jojo Jackson Originally by: Rock urSocksoff Originally by: Madmi CEO But the police can guarantee you that the 20 people are punished for what they did. What fantasy world are you living in? As soon as you don't live in the US it has nothink to do with fantasy ;). I don't live in the US. Try again
Kell Braugh Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.15 05:29:00 - [30] Edited by: Kell Braugh on 15/10/2009 05:31:00 Originally by: Xetal Maelstrom Concord's police response is fine. The only issue I have with the entire situation is Concord paying insurance to ships that they themselves killed. Concord doesn't pay you, Pend Insurance does.

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