Posted - 2010.01.31 03:44:00 - [2]

 

Edited by: Manfred Sideous on 31/01/2010 03:51:30
Continued

But then we became aware of events and happenings bearing great similarities to long term scenarios once discussed in theorycrafting among CVA leadership. Events of such similarity that it gave us enough concern to start observing more closely, and even to start digging, especially because we in -A- were going through a time of adaptation (in more ways then just dealing with the institutional claws of Empire institutions).

We wrote these events off as not very likely, because of previous communications, but also on the basis of how we ourselves had been able to adapt as pilots to changing circumstances. It turns out we were wrong. Not only did it become clear through the actions of LFA that the intent to expand into Catch was a clear and present intent, but it also became clear through the actions of CVA leadership to let LFA cross boundaries with full intent, that there was more to this at play. This became clear once we checked in once again, but found that in the mean time we were not just seeing LFA, but combined fleets crossing not just boundaries but going directly for systems -A- deems of strategic value as buffers for its infrastructure and sphere of influence.

During that time, -A- was engaged in a short campaign elsewhere, so the crossing of boundaries by LFA, combined with this being reinforced by combined fleets from Providence, and under the clear sanction from CVA, it basically made us look around and raise an eyebrow. How was it possible that in spite of open visors, clear boundaries, and a previous incident with clear response this could happen. Even if CVA would be unable or unwilling to adapt to the changes of New Eden, these actions and plans we were seeing from CVA leadership made little sense at all. After all, as some leadership perhaps remembers, when Agression and Veritas left Immensea, talks were opened with CVA leadership on transferring the region of Immensea to CVA for the people of Providence to expand into. These talks even entailed setting connections as required. As it stands, the offer was refused, and these talks ended.

Be all this as it may, we are facing a conflict of annihilation, a conflict for which the reasons are rooted in confusion and such a variety of circumstances that it boggles the mind how this could start in the first place. We have no hate for the people of Providence, we bear no malcontempt for its Holders, on the contrary. But some unwritten rules apply to all space holding alliances equally, similar to the laws of physics, to every action a reaction must and will follow. It is not our desire to turn this into a conflict of excess, but the actions of your leaders determine our reactions.

In the past few days following but also during the conquest of D-G, there have been a lot of talks. Between leaders, between FC's, between pilots. All of these talks come down to the simple statement that we harbour no hate, we react as can be expected, our reaction is directly correspondant to the nature and size of the threat aligned to our interests, and that we have no wish to burn or remove the people of Providence. New Eden is innately ingrained with violence, but it must not by default be a violence which knows no boundaries.

Unfortunately, while as pilots we still seem perfectly capable to fly around with open visor, this appears not to be the case on a leadership level in CVA. Sofar all efforts here have fallen silent, and what we see in preparation and in planning among CVA is only going to fuel the conflict to a nuclear fire which will consume the region.

As it currently stands, we have spoken with CVA leadership, stating our intent to not cause permanent harm, even with a scenario of a return of the D-G system, and informed CVA leadership of -A- holding back (unless again provoked) until following Monday February 1st at midnight pending their reaction and willingness to contain the current conflict. However, even this has been refused.

Posted - 2010.01.31 03:55:00 - [4]

 

We have shown you what we will do when we pay attention to you, we do not feel that Providence has to burn, but you are, more and more, forcing our actions.

See sense, Providence, before you burn.

Posted - 2010.01.31 04:03:00 - [6]

 

How..human to let your pride be your downfall. Providence needs to realize who really controls their destiny, hint, it is not CVA. Reject them and survive. Abandon the sinking ship of their rule.

Posted - 2010.01.31 04:11:00 - [8]

 

Edited by: Virtuozzo on 31/01/2010 04:16:53
As made clear in the statement, we have no hate for the people of Providence. We have always known what we're at with each other, and we have always had fun and challenges alike.

That being said, something was broken, and that can be fixed, or it will be torn apart. Seeing where these things originate, we find it a shame to see matters spiral out of control. Dealing with matters out of control is something we consider a challenge, but not without making completely clear the what & why of the conflict.

As the message states, this is to the people of Providence, the men and women who die on the field without knowing what is going, without being aware of circumstances, without even being told what is at stake and why it really is at stake.

We live in New Eden, violence is a daily part of it, but it does not have to cost good people their lives and livelyhood.


As such, please read, discuss it amongst yourselves. Ask questions and speak with your leaders. We of -A- are holding back, for obvious reasons, for now (as communicated), but in this universe action is always followed by reaction.

Posted - 2010.01.31 05:41:00 - [10]

 

Some say the definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting different outcomes.

In the time I have flown with -A- I have seen this many times; from Cobalt star, the various incursions of F9E, to our normal skirmishes and even our arranged 'events', the results have always been the same.

The naive among you think you have seen us at war, that you have tested us in combat, that you have seen all that the might of -A- has to offer. You have thought wrong, you have seen -A- at play, you have seen -A- annoyed. You have never seen -A- angered or with the blood lust zeal reserved for our true foes, You have never seen -A- set out with the intent of destroying your way of life.
You have never seen -A- try to erase you.

There for I reach out to every free thinking capsuleer of Providence, Think about the consequences of your leaders actions. Such a cost for what? What do you the serf have to gain from claiming another system? How much return will you see from another system to do the same thing your doing in what you already have? None I think. But your lords have everything to gain, filling their wallets through the fruits of your labor. Really ask your self what do you have to gain in the conquest of F9E? Now ask your self what the lords have to gain with you and twenty others in F9E every day. I would imagine they do not compare in the slightest.

How many among you own drake bpo's, Battleships? Dread & Carrier bpo's? I'd wager not many, but your Lords? Well now that's a different story. They stand not only to profit from the conquest, but the misguided attempt as well! That is where your leaders true source of wealth lies, Selling the most powerful weapons imaginable to the highest bidder, Many of which are even arrayed against you now, in almost divine irony.

I have always thought of Providence as our little prized banzai tree. And like any tree pruning is required. Some times you trim a little, some times alot; however a point may come when you just may need a new tree. I would be greatly saddened to lose my banzai tree.

So I ask you again, brave pilots of Providence, what do you stand to gain from your reckless expansion except incurring the wrath of -A-. What end do you seek if not the end of my rail guns. You deserve more then this, You deserve more then to die for your leaders imperialistic dreams, You deserve more then to be a pawn in their scheme, You deserve more then to be treated as if you were common slaves. You deserve more then to be a victim of the holder's greed. Now demand it from your leaders

Remember
The Good -A- Giveth
and the Good -A- taketh away

Posted - 2010.01.31 06:08:00 - [12]

 

-The following is strictly a third-party analysis of the situation and does not reflect the official view of cva or other provibloc leadership in any manner shape or form-

First point of view: Very diplomatic and sound gesture from -A- leadership. You have agreed and made preparations to reconcile the differences, mostly outlining the cause and effect of the current conflict with accurate and objective statements. Assuming that this gesture is sincere,

Second point of view: A final nail in the coffin for CVA and Provi pride that has taken quite a beating from events these past few weeks. Already labeled a 'carebear alliance' by rest of eve, CVA and Provibloc cannot hope to regain their respect and place in eve politics should they capitulate to -A-'s gesture of mercy; that would be seen as the ultimate insult and spiritual death of an alliance.

-A- is giving provibloc two options: continue the war and (-A- thinks with valid evidence given last week's event) face annihilation, or bow down and lick -a- boots. What -A-'s sincere leaders may not realize is, even if -A- is willing to give cva and provibloc a clean slate and once again offer the respect of a fellow alliance, cva agreeing to this demand will never have that same respect from rest of New Eden; their image will be permanently tainted as 'that carebear alliance who got licked and now grovels at -A- mercy'. This is true even if -A-'s intention is not so. I am certain this may be part of the reason why -A- bloc has not received a positive message from cva leadership yet.

This puts the CVA leadership at a very awkward position with relatively few options, surrender and official apology being equivalent to death sentence for respect and position of the alliance as an entity. What is worse, part of Provibloc started this war (although harboring of UK in -A- space may give weight to some argument that -a- has already began this war long ago by aiding provibloc's enemies) at least in the majority of public eye, and the capitulate now means utter humiliation.

Lastly, CVA did state that their goal was to reclaim the providence and nullsec for the Amarr Empire....

I express my opinion that CVA and Co. could that done a better job of setting up war rationale in RP perspective, instead of randomly and seemingly out of nowhere giving LFA the greenlight to invade catch. If the provibloc, united as one, openly stated the 'Expansion of Operation Deliverance' and intention to follow through with the RP nature of CVA, that would have been far more understandable to general public. As it stands now the general perception views LFA and cva act as a cowardly act that stabbed -a- in the back when they were busy with goons and IT (which I disagree on grounds that -A- harbored UK and therefore indirectly provoked the war in the first place).

I am sure -A- leadership knows what difficult position this message puts provibloc into, and in essence they seem to be pushing to portray themselves as the victims and good guys in this conflict that in no minor part was due to UK striking out with impunity behind -a- curtain. In some ways, this proclaimation seems not a positive one at all, but a final move on part of the -A- to publically cement their position as 'forces of good' and leaving cva with no other option than going out in blazes or glory, continued animosity, or humiliating surrender, last being not an option.

-Conintued-

Posted - 2010.01.31 06:22:00 - [14]

 

Rise Providence, rise!

Renounce slavery and overthrow CVA, or burn with them.

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Posted - 2010.01.31 07:01:00 - [16]

 

Originally by: Eljar Kjeldsson

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I loled

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I wouldn't if I were U

Posted - 2010.01.31 07:30:00 - [18]

 

Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 31/01/2010 07:31:37

Originally by: Colonel Vatutin

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Allow me state my opinion one more time: -A- must openly state their fault in harboring UK and giving them opportunity to strike at Provi with impunity, and its role in starting this war, if there must be any reconciliation.

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I believe with -A- holding every last card in their hand, as well as quite possibly the balls of half the capsuleers in Providence right now, they don't need to give in to anything. The position of power gives them the direct control over how this plays out. CVA is between a rock and a hard place, and should be greatful -A- is letting them choose.

Posted - 2010.01.31 08:04:00 - [20]

 

anonimity test

Posted - 2010.01.31 08:24:00 - [22]

 

Didn't CVA demand -A- kick us out of Catch? Even 'terrorists' need a place to keep their stuff.

*docks in D-G*

Be careful what you wish for.

Posted - 2010.01.31 08:32:00 - [24]

 

Posted - 2010.01.31 08:42:00 - [26]

 

Posted - 2010.01.31 09:35:00 - [28]

 

Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 31/01/2010 09:38:28
*Speaking unofficially right now*

Your terms are pretty unfair. Either way CVA loses and you know it. You are basically stating that Providence will burn for "our foolishness". Whether its by your hand directly or your hand indirectly.


But then again, alls fair in love and war.

Posted - 2010.01.31 10:50:00 - [30]

 

'nuff said!

Burn Amarr, burn, burn, burn!