| Author |
Topic |
Gungankllr
Caldari
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless |
Posted - 2004.12.24 06:10:00 - [ 1]
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Stetu
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
SMASH Alliance |
Posted - 2004.12.24 06:32:00 - [ 2]
Lol, that article pretty much said anyone who kills another is a griefer and therefore a psycho who has issues at home. |
Nervar
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes |
Posted - 2004.12.24 06:39:00 - [ 3]
What a load of bull crap |
Daakkon
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance |
Posted - 2004.12.24 06:43:00 - [ 4]
Im probably sure that guy is Parallux....the guy I killed and tank recorded on ts  |
Odet
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings |
Posted - 2004.12.24 06:54:00 - [ 5]
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Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.12.24 06:59:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Siddy on 24/12/2004 07:06:23How can you "greef" in simms? what point is playing MMO if you cant express yourself freely or do thing you cant do in RL - like going on killing spree? in worl like eve - everything depends of the delicate balance of PVP miners mine minerals, builders build ships, PVPers and greefers and agentrunneds blow em up... without the last foodchain, miners and builders get bored soon... /ps: EVE got actualy pretty nice dynamiks, nothing is forssed, unlike in other games... but the point is, stupid peoles are stupid peoples no mater what you do to protekt them  |
Necrologic
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2004.12.24 07:13:00 - [ 7]
bull****.
I'm glad there are no greifers in EVE. |
MooKids
Caldari
Azure Twilight Engineering
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Posted - 2004.12.24 07:19:00 - [ 8]
I think it pretty much said that any player interaction is a form of griefing. And we are all anti-social. ******ed news story. |
Discorporation
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.12.24 07:24:00 - [ 9]
Thing is, griefing is often more harmful in a non-pvp game then in a pvp game. In a pvp game you can at least try to shoot the crap out of some lameass griefz0r. In other game,s no dice.  |
Therax
Amarr
New Genesis Project
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Posted - 2004.12.24 07:50:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: Therax on 24/12/2004 07:51:37
I cannot believe that some people actually do that as a job...
Anyone who gets that perturbed by being killed in an online game has more problems than who ever killed them. |
Sleazy Cabbie |
Posted - 2004.12.24 07:52:00 - [ 11]
Considering that :
1) The vast majority of the playerbase is squished into empire
2) There are vastly fewer ships destroyed in 0.0 than in .4
3) E-Thugs are constantly crying that "piracy is dead," and complain about carebears but they all sit in empire ganking miners in .4
The simple fact is that %99 of the Eve playerbase wants everyone ELSE in the game to be vulnerable, while using every cheap in-game mechanic to make sure they themselves are never in any danger.
Simple fact is, ppl want to fight when they want to fight.
The concept of "piracy" in a video game necessarily means shoving your playstyle down someone else's throat against their will.
In the long run, its going to be these facts gimping Eve's subscription numbers and keeping it a niche game. |
Jonkai
Caldari
3B Legio IX
Freelancer Alliance |
Posted - 2004.12.24 08:27:00 - [ 12]
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Sassinak |
Posted - 2004.12.24 09:39:00 - [ 13]
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Toran Mehtar
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2004.12.24 09:47:00 - [ 14]
Reading that article devalued my gaming experience.
I'm going to petition the author as a griefer.
Tbh, I thought it was a pretty tame article. It seemed to say 'bullying new players is bad because it will make them run away so that you make less money'. I felt it was a very sterile description of the situation, not really aimed at gamers who know anything about the subject.
The article as a whole had a lot of words, but little real content.
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Basileus |
Posted - 2004.12.24 10:32:00 - [ 15]
Any article that uses words such as "heck" I cannot take seriously at all I'm afraid. In Yankonia someone has probably sued someone else over griefing behavious in an MMORG. Americans... nuff said. |
Scorpyn |
Posted - 2004.12.24 12:06:00 - [ 16]
Aren't those game mostly pve? EVE is a lot more pvp than those I think (never played them).
What's the point of a mmo game if you can't attack each other? It'd be like playing a single player game with friends, and you don't need big servers to do that, a small server for like 50 ppl or so should be enough... |
SwitchBl4d3
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2004.12.24 12:32:00 - [ 17]
the sims online sounds fun.  Quote:
Evangeline said she liked to torture new players ("newbies") by luring them into a house specifically designed to trap and torture them. "Newbies are so disgusting...they're the bane of my Sim life," she said. "I'll cage (you) like an animal and have people laugh at (you)."
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAAA i want to lure miners into my vampire lair and drain there blood |
sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate |
Posted - 2004.12.24 13:06:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Daakkon
Im probably sure that guy is Parallux....the guy I killed and tank recorded on ts
any link to the recording? |
Crunch Freeman |
Posted - 2004.12.24 15:31:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Basileus
Any article that uses words such as "heck" I cannot take seriously at all I'm afraid. In Yankonia someone has probably sued someone else over griefing behavious in an MMORG. Americans... nuff said.
Yankonia? Geeze, what a ******.  |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club |
Posted - 2004.12.24 15:43:00 - [ 20]
My new goal in life is to hurt so many people I get a news article. That Evangeline broad must be a celebrity in the Sims Online by now. |
Vegeta
Minmatar
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2004.12.24 15:51:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Daakkon
Im probably sure that guy is Parallux....the guy I killed and tank recorded on ts
enlighten me please!! :) |
Sardau Kar
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2004.12.24 16:07:00 - [ 22]
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2004.12.24 16:19:00 - [ 23]
Rofl reading that makes me wanna play the sims online...
Griefers > Stupid people.
Smart People > Griefers. |
Krizzi Lih
Caldari
Manic Zealots
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Posted - 2004.12.24 16:33:00 - [ 24]
...I thought it was a known fact that griefers are usually the first to use the word "Bulls  t" in forums and flame... ...but I could be wrong  |
Nuala Reece
Caldari
Pilots of Damnation
death from above.. |
Posted - 2004.12.24 16:34:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Siddy
How can you "greef" in simms?
From what I heard - you get a group of folk together and hold off on going to the toilet until everyone's bladders are nearly full. Then you go around to someone's house and urinate on their lawn to kill their plants. It's the Sims, after all - they're not going to get much more dangerous than that until they introduce a gang warfare expension Although they did also have the first documented case of a player run cyber brothel in a MMOG. What I'd say about the article though - I think we can't discount that some people will play MMOGs in the ways described, and maybe for the reasons described. By and large, people behave according to pretty consistent patterns and those paterns may be pretty similar in game to the way they feel in rl. But also, there could have been more consideration of the effect of role playing and the different things allowed by different games. Pirates are such a large and important part of EVE - it just wouldn't be as fun a game without them - and we can't really escape the fact that often piracy and griefing travel pretty close together. But EVE's pvp oriented gameplay makes it much easier for players to take the fight back to the griefers rather than having to rely on artificial controls imposed by the game's developers. I guess, where the article suggests the parental advice approach of 'just ignore them and they'll go away', EVE promotes the other side of parental advice 'get back out there and hit him back'. |
Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.12.24 16:42:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Odet
Edited by: Odet on 24/12/2004 06:55:34
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roffle |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2004.12.24 16:42:00 - [ 27]
Quote:
"How can you "greef" in simms?"
I played TSO for about two months and made some friends there. All it is is a glorified chatroom though. As for "griefers" there you can do stuff like go into someones house and leave food plates everywhere (drawing flies), trash stuff, harrass people into leaving (other visitors), or you can not use the toilet and have "accidents" all over anothers property. All in all its pretty lowlife stuff and very pathetic considering they're doing it for cheap thrills and to **** people off. These people are losers in RL in my view. I mean who would do that but a loser? What is a griefer? Well thats a fine line. My view has always been its a person who completely disregards the "experience" someone else gets out of gaming so they can get their own little thrill. Like someone hanging in 1.0 space killing newbies (we've had that here). Like people exploiting modules and camping gates after beta (we've had that here). Do I think everyone who kills people is a griefer? Nope. Pirate corps that operate in 0.0 space are doing their own thing and the danger is clear. Now if that same small pirate corp wants to declare war on a whole alliance so they can run around Empire ganking everyone in sight I'd call them griefers. I do believe a persons underlying "character" will show thru even in a game. I look at myself for example. I roleplay a fanatical conservative religious hardliner. Yet in real life I'm a very moderate-liberal type. Yet some things in my chracter remain. I won't go out of my way to make someone miserable. I won't go out of my way to harrass someone who makes a complaint. I won't go out of my way to ruin someone elses gameplay just so I get a cheap thrill. That is my underlying character. I do care about people. Sure I can be an Amarrian hardliner, a pirate or a carebear in Eve, but some parts of your " real character" remain with you. You can roleplay anything you want but its alot easier to be a jerk in a game if your a jerk in real life. As we've seen there are alot of characters in Eve. Some apparently have less character and less class. Archbishop  |
Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.12.24 16:46:00 - [ 28]
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2004.12.24 16:50:00 - [ 29]
Quote:
FROM THE ARTICLE"Evangeline said she liked to torture new players ("newbies") by luring them into a house specifically designed to trap and torture them. "Newbies are so disgusting...they're the bane of my Sim life," she said. "I'll cage (you) like an animal and have people laugh at (you)."
Ganging up on newbies is typical griefer behavior in games with large multiplayer universes, such as "Sims Online" or "EverQuest."
In games such as "EverQuest" that include player-vs.-player combat, griefers typically lure new players into hidden areas, then kill them and loot their corpses for valuable in-game goods. One of the most common griefer tactics is to camp out at "spawn spots"--locations where characters enter the game world after dying or logging off--and attack arriving players the second they materialize. "
You see this is just pathetic. Killing newbies who are just starting. I recall a "certain" pirate who sat outside Yulai for a couple hours one day podding newbies undocking in their first ships. These were brand new players who had just bought the game and were trying it out. The GM's chased him off..... they should've banned him. How many of those new players never played again? What kind of pathetic person would do something like that? Newbies are the "future" of any game (more customers = more revenue). Given so many in Eve love PvP you'd think this "pirate" could've found some other people who love PvP to fight instead of slaughtering brand new players. This is griefing. This is pathetic. Honestly only a LOSER in RL would do something like that. I mean what kind of underlying character would a person have to have to derive enjoyment out of this? It's almost like the people who torture animals. I mean its just pathetic. So yes real life character does come thru in a game. I see "good pirates" who are decent people playing a role. These "griefers" are NOT those people. They are far worse. I'd like to see a "Griefer registry" for online game companies. I'd like to see MMPORPG's register the IP's and other info of certified "griefers" who have been banned from their games. I'd like to see other game companies refuse them service. You can bet if they're griefing in one game they're doing it in all of them. Oh and I do disagree with the article statement that griefers are 25% of the games population. I'm not talking about all "pirates" in Eve or anything like that. I'm talking about that 2-3% that are so out of control they totally ruin the gaming of everyone they come in contact with. You all know the type. Archbishop |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2004.12.24 16:51:00 - [ 30]
Quote:
"see, thats the reason Sims need PVP
Whent the houhold keeper got nice 9mm, nothing of this whuld happen "
HAHA!!!! Good one Siddy. They could introduce a new TSO career. "The Armed Robber". Archbishop |
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