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Ominus Decre
The Older Gamers
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:26:00 - [ 1]
Moved from General Discussion to OoPE. --JoraukEdited by: Ominus Decre on 06/04/2006 02:27:53Edited by: Ominus Decre on 06/04/2006 02:26:56Unable to verify the credibility of this site or the post albiet felt there was reason to meantion it. ClickyYou cant land on planets in EVE-online in real-time, you dont have a huge game world with a billions of planets, it doesnt have realitsic physics, EVE-online does have the freedome you get in Infinity. You cant own planets or more than one ship in EVE-online, you dont have a storyline that evolves all the time,...
We are defenetly going to use some good stuff from EVE-online but Infinity is nothing like EVE-online. Another write up.Someone needs to look into this.  Here's a link mentioning the engine that's to be used... freeware??? |
Berneh
Gallente
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:30:00 - [ 2]
copyright infringement ?
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Foomanshoe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:34:00 - [ 3]
X-wing crossed with EVE maybe?
No offense to infinity people, but ill believe they have billions of starsystems when i see it. Lots of MMOs promise the moon and more when they are starting, then after 2 years of development and they have no were near everything they promised, the dev team gets fired and a new one comes in that completely rewrites the game. Look at Wish, or Horizons.
Also, if its not a fighter-sim/mmo, then it looks ALOT like EVE without any character progression. |
Gierling
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:36:00 - [ 4]
No need to get upset, its just a competitor hawking his product and pointing out whats different. |
Ominus Decre
The Older Gamers
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:38:00 - [ 5]
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:40:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: j0sephine on 06/04/2006 02:40:44
"No offense to infinity people, but ill believe they have billions of starsystems when i see it."
Infinity is coded (pretty much single-handedly by Ysaneya) to rely very heavily on procedural content ... so 'billions of starsystems' while exageration are quite possible for that engine.
That said, these excerpts sound like the author (Betelgeuze) doesn't have much experience with EVE, and he seems to be Infinity fan with the usual zeal and competition bashing thing going... than actual part of their development team. |
Saeris Tal'Urduar
Amarr |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:41:00 - [ 7]
I agree nothing thats really a problem. The only thing that is incorrect is you can own more than one ship in EVE..even though you can only pilot one at a time. Otherwise I wish the guy luck with his dream. And I hope he makes it worth a damn so at least I can try it out, and maybe even enjoy it.  |
Kaimana Eponu |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:41:00 - [ 8]
That game looks like eve cept it got hit with the nge from soe |
Kel Shek |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:41:00 - [ 9]
heres the best slam I can think of... and its true too!
...
ready for it?
... reminds me of the game "Dawn".
or in other words... its nothing for anyone to bother about. 99.9999% likelyhood that it'll never see the light of day.
if they are that early in development, honestly their so called screenshots are a load of horse hockey. |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:44:00 - [ 10]
 Originally by: Gierling
No need to get upset, its just a competitor hawking his product and pointing out whats different.
And getting it wrong. The guy has never played eve in his life. |
SpaceDrake Taleweaver |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:47:00 - [ 11]
Heheheheheh. I'm sure the developer(s?) mean well, but looking at everything on the whole it's pretty obvious these guys are newbie developers. Not from the screens or anything, but from their claims. Lemme put it this way: EVE doesn't have planetary surfaces or newtonian physics or five billion stars (yes, they claim they'll simulate a galaxy, including every single star ever) all for purely technical reasons. (The Newtonian thing is also a consious gameplay choice, but that's a whole different argument.) One of those is a flat lie, of course... I know people who own dozens of ships. You can only ever FLY one at a time, though. And, in fact, the story does evolve, quite often and driven by the players I might add. Planetary surfaces have also not been added to the game yet because CCP has legitimately not had the time or manpower to do anything to make them interesting. They've had a basic planetary flight engine for almost two years now, but it's like Titans at the start of 2003: it could be added, but what's the point? There's still a lot that could be done with the "space layer" of the game, and that should be properly developed before a ground layer is considered. Respect to Infinity's developers, of course, but to me it just sounds like they haven't properly thought through what it's going to take to pull off the game they're describing. |
j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:47:00 - [ 12]
"if they are that early in development, honestly their so called screenshots are a load of horse hockey."Flavien Brebion is extremely talented guy, and i believe he can deliver most of what he has planned, at least as far as technical excellence of graphics goes. The 'fun' aspects of game are another story entirely. You can check Infinity website and his dev journal for both screnshots and more importantly movies of what stage his engine is currently at. They're well worth the time if you're into eye candy... |
Ominus Decre
The Older Gamers
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:47:00 - [ 13]
Vapor ware?
My name is Flavien Brebion and I'm 28. By day, I work as a graphics programmer in a small Belgium company. During the night (or the weekends), I work on Infinity, my pet project.
I started to develop the 3D engine in 2004, although I previously worked on some early prototypes to make sure it was technically feasible. I opened the website in September 2005 and received an incredible amount of support. At this time, many people volunteered to give some help, in particular Kevin Haelterman (Betelgeuze on the forums) and Andreas Österman (Abzence). In December, Shawn Sullivan (with whom I had already worked on a previous project) joined the team as a 3D artist and started to work on the first space station.
A long way from a tangible product... |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:54:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Ominus Decre
Vapor ware?
My name is Flavien Brebion and I'm 28. By day, I work as a graphics programmer in a small Belgium company. During the night (or the weekends), I work on Infinity, my pet project.
A long way from a tangible product...
It's just a guy with a dream. He's like me but a lot more arrogant about his work, overestimating his product and overcomplicating the design before he's even close to getting a working version of the game out. And, of course, he's firther on than me. I've not had the time to start even working on my game. Just designed it and worked on some data models and netcode ideas. |
Saeris Tal'Urduar
Amarr |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:55:00 - [ 15]
Quote:
Vaporware?
Ominus, I wonder how many people said that about a small group of developers from Iceland? I may be reading it wrongBut you seem to be slamming on him kinda hard for having a dream and trying to create another game in a venue we all seem to love. Give the guy a break I say. |
Ominus Decre
The Older Gamers
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:59:00 - [ 16]
It's sounding more like a version of "Sid Meirers Pirates" in space.
"My goal is to make the combat gameplay similar to the old arcade games, like XWing. It'll be mission based, PvP ( two teams, two battleships separated by a mine field ) and the area will be quite small"
More power to him! There was also mentioning that the intent would be for no monthly subscription.
Heh, intresting to see the ship rendered throuth 3dMax. Makes me want to fire it up and work on some old models. :) |
SpaceDrake Taleweaver |
Posted - 2006.04.06 02:59:00 - [ 17]
Oh, a certain group of programmer dog-farts from an island in the middle of nowhere got saddled with cries of "vapor!" in the Long Long Ago, certainly.
I'm just talking about what we know now, having seen EVE evolve for three years. Think about how much hardware it takes to make EVE run five thousands solar systems, without planetary surfaces. If the developers of Infinity really want to make their game MMO, they may (read: probably will) have to make a reality check at some point in their development cycle concerning the practical size of their galaxy. |
Tetrarch
Amarr |
Posted - 2006.04.06 04:05:00 - [ 18]
I don't see any bashing.
I see comparisons. How would he not compare his game to one that's in the same genre? And EVE does not currently have planet landing. That's like saying someone is bashing WoW because they said "There's no Protoss!"
Anyway, I gotta give this guy credit where credit is due: he's the ONLY programmer on that game. If he can make an MMO then just wow! Awesome job! And why wouldn't we want more space games out there?
I don't understand the whole concept of taking a game (or anything) personally. Oh no, someone is making a game in the same genre! Shouldn't we be happy to see people with new ideas? And shouldn't it fill everyone with excitement that basically a one-man dev team may be able to bring a game to life?
That's just incredible to me! |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort |
Posted - 2006.04.06 04:13:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Tetrarch
I don't see any bashing.
Pointing out flaws and problems with a game that don't exist is pretty ignorant of him to do, especially when it shows he's pretty much talking out of his rear as he hasn't played the game. He thinks you can't own more than one ship. It can be seen as bashing, I guess. Personally, I hope his game gets to the point where a current big company takes interest and sets up a server for a few years. It'll give eve some healthy competition. |
MysticNZ
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:15:00 - [ 20]
Nothing impresses me about the game. |
Eternal Fury
Rage of Inferno |
Posted - 2006.04.06 04:20:00 - [ 21]
It's 2 years off at least.
ehh... |
John Mathias |
Posted - 2006.04.06 04:27:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: John Mathias on 06/04/2006 04:29:03 Originally by: Tetrarch
I don't see any bashing.
I see comparisons. How would he not compare his game to one that's in the same genre? And EVE does not currently have planet landing. That's like saying someone is bashing WoW because they said "There's no Protoss!"
Anyway, I gotta give this guy credit where credit is due: he's the ONLY programmer on that game. If he can make an MMO then just wow! Awesome job! And why wouldn't we want more space games out there?
I don't understand the whole concept of taking a game (or anything) personally. Oh no, someone is making a game in the same genre! Shouldn't we be happy to see people with new ideas? And shouldn't it fill everyone with excitement that basically a one-man dev team may be able to bring a game to life?
That's just incredible to me!
I'm sure one guy sitting in his basement in his free time is going to make the most advanced space game of all time.....right after i cure cancer and unite all mankind in a new era of world peace..... |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort |
Posted - 2006.04.06 04:53:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: John Mathias
I'm sure one guy sitting in his basement in his free time is going to make the most advanced space game of all time.....right after i cure cancer and unite all mankind in a new era of world peace.....
Hurry up with that. |
Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2006.04.06 04:54:00 - [ 24]
I'm sure one guy sitting in his basement in his free time is going to make the most advanced space game of all time.....right after i cure cancer and unite all mankind in a new era of world peace.....
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lol shows what an ignorant fool you are then.
90% of the biggest achievements on mankind were developed
in that way.
example. bill gates microsoft windows while he was in college
if infinity can pull off, grats to them, least they have more imagination than you.
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Copine Callmeknau
North Central Positronics LTD
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Posted - 2006.04.06 05:05:00 - [ 25]
Might be a long way off, or not even happen. But that video hosted on moddb looks verrrrry tasty, hopefully EVE has space - planet transitions as smooth as that someday  |
Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis |
Posted - 2006.04.06 05:16:00 - [ 26]
Hire him CCP.  |
Mortimus
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Knights Of the Southerncross |
Posted - 2006.04.06 05:33:00 - [ 27]
Whomever is doing the bashing is obviously not very informed.
Seeing as how the beta release date is 20 months away, eve will have changed (and possibly not for the better - let's see) by then. Be one to watch, but nothing to get excited or concerned at for a long time. |
Tetrarch
Amarr |
Posted - 2006.04.06 05:40:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: John Mathias
Edited by: John Mathias on 06/04/2006 04:29:03
Originally by: Tetrarch
I don't see any bashing.
I see comparisons. How would he not compare his game to one that's in the same genre? And EVE does not currently have planet landing. That's like saying someone is bashing WoW because they said "There's no Protoss!"
Anyway, I gotta give this guy credit where credit is due: he's the ONLY programmer on that game. If he can make an MMO then just wow! Awesome job! And why wouldn't we want more space games out there?
I don't understand the whole concept of taking a game (or anything) personally. Oh no, someone is making a game in the same genre! Shouldn't we be happy to see people with new ideas? And shouldn't it fill everyone with excitement that basically a one-man dev team may be able to bring a game to life?
That's just incredible to me!
I'm sure one guy sitting in his basement in his free time is going to make the most advanced space game of all time.....right after i cure cancer and unite all mankind in a new era of world peace.....
I don't think he claimed that. I know nothing about this game other than I did read about it earlier today (coincidence). As someone who is trying to also make a game by himself for fun I can say this is no easy feat. I really don't understand people bashing him for trying to do something. Have we gotten to a point where we make fun of someone for trying to accomplish their dreams? Sheesh. At least he's making a game instead of just playing one. |
So'Kar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2006.04.06 05:44:00 - [ 29]
I remember that guy whos programming posting to mmorpg.com once. He certainly is skilled programmer, but he also want to keep all strings for himself and be only one making core and only hire other programmers to help with content. Problem I see is that mmo need to be kept updated over time, so what if he get hired somewhere that will take so much time that he wount have much time for his "hobby", he get's bored of it or something else happens to him and he wount be available to continue develope it.
I wish the guy making it good luck and if he get it done I will definately try it out, but wouldn't hold my breath for it. |
aggiedog
The Merchant Marines |
Posted - 2006.04.06 05:53:00 - [ 30]
If they can pull it off, more power to them. However, the size of what they want to do is huge. Eve has thousands of systems and hundreds of thousands of planets and I don't think everyone have visited them all. Even if that is that vast, would you be alone for most of the time? And I wonder how many hard-drives you would need to store that data.  or processors to handle the physics |
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