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Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 09:40:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/08/2006 13:39:18Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 09:46:03Ok, here is the current test server stats on tier 2 battlecruisers for those who dont know how to log in there or cant be bothered with installing the new client (Dragon). Name, CPU, Powergrid, Highs, Mediums, Lows, Launchers, Turrets, Drone space, Speed Minmatar Hurricane, 400, 1400, 8, 4, 6, 3, 7, 30, 165 Amarr Betrayal, 360, 1550, 8, 3, 7, 0, 8, 50, 150 Gallente Myrmiddon, 400, 1100, 8, 5, 5, 1, 6, 100, 145 Caldari Drake, 525, 800, 8, 6, 4, 7, 3, 25, 140 I know stats are subject to change. They all look pretty powerful to me... cant wait for september.  |
HappyKitten
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.07.30 09:43:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: HappyKitten on 30/07/2006 09:43:45
Give me speeds!
edit: couldn't you just screenshot the showinfo boxes? |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 09:47:00 - [ 3]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 09:47:08
Didnt want to bother with it since this stuff probably will change. Oh, and added speed to original post.
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Umit Davala
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2006.07.30 09:49:00 - [ 4]
Any info on increased agility? |
HappyKitten
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.07.30 09:50:00 - [ 5]
165?
No faster than cyclone, but the 7 turrets should make me happy nonetheless.
*autocannon dance*
Also, the Drake looks hawt. |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 09:52:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 09:52:55 Originally by: Umit Davala
Any info on increased agility?
Not yet, but I remember a Tuxford post saying the devs might increase it for all battlecruisers(both tier 1 and 2). That would be lovely. |
Lanu
0utbreak |
Posted - 2006.07.30 09:58:00 - [ 7]
If those will be the stats were looking at another gallente blaster/rail ship with 6 guns?
Isnt that exactly the same as the brutix?
I was hoping for a drone carrier as there isnt a drone bc yet while there is a frig/cruiser/bs/dread.
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Umit Davala
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2006.07.30 09:58:00 - [ 8]
Would be lovely x2 I can almost hear the gentle pitter patter of 7 dual 180s  |
Surius |
Posted - 2006.07.30 09:59:00 - [ 9]
Are bonus's hinted at/listed anywhere, I mean what do they get per lvl of bc? |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:01:00 - [ 10]
The new gallente bc has 100 m3 of drones while Brutix has only 50 m3. So using 4 Ogre II on that thing is possible... and will hurt like hell.
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Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:01:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Surius
Are bonus's hinted at/listed anywhere, I mean what do they get per lvl of bc?
Not listed yet. :) |
Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:10:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Surius
Are bonus's hinted at/listed anywhere, I mean what do they get per lvl of bc?
Not listed yet. :)
Which is good. There's just about only one bonus that can be guessed, and that's the obvious +10% drone dmg+hp the Myrmiddon is going to get. Oh, and anyone trying the data extracts are just going to see the tier 1 bonuses, so no point trying (as everyone does in these threds) |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:17:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 10:17:26 Originally by: Ithildin
There's just about only one bonus that can be guessed, and that's the obvious +10% drone dmg+hp the Myrmiddon is going to get.
Hmm, with 4 Ogre II with double damage/hitpoint bonus, it would approach the dps of ECM + NOS Dominix. |
Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:19:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 10:17:26
Originally by: Ithildin
There's just about only one bonus that can be guessed, and that's the obvious +10% drone dmg+hp the Myrmiddon is going to get.
Hmm, with 4 Ogre II with double damage/hitpoint bonus, it would approach the dps of ECM + NOS Dominix.
It may get a drone bay size bonus and a hybrid damage bonus? |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:22:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
It may get a drone bay size bonus and a hybrid damage bonus?
Yeah maybe. The pattern i see here is battlecruiser versions of armageddon, caldari navy raven, dominix and tempest. But thats just speculation.  |
Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:27:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 10:17:26
Originally by: Ithildin
There's just about only one bonus that can be guessed, and that's the obvious +10% drone dmg+hp the Myrmiddon is going to get.
Hmm, with 4 Ogre II with double damage/hitpoint bonus, it would approach the dps of ECM + NOS Dominix.
If I'm going to have to guess the Myrmiddon bonuses, I'd guess: +10% Drone hit points, damage and mining yield +7.5% Armour repairer repair amount And no, it'd not approach the damage of a Dominix. It'd still be 20% short on the drone side, and that's not counting the extra damage the Dominix has from turrets. Other than that, notice that the Myrmiddon has worse powergrid and CPU than the Brutix. This means that the Myrmiddon is not going to be very competent in fitting neither ECM nor extra turrets on it's own. In short, it'd come close to the Ishtar, as long as the competition isn't attacking battleships, but be unable to compete with the Dominix. |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:33:00 - [ 17]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 10:35:32Well, i was comparing it to the ECM + NOS dominix so no guns fitted. Drones would do all the damage while the ship nosses and repairs itself. Easy mode pvp. :) About the CPU not being enough, it would just use modules to fix that. Its not like it needs damage mods. |
NOObbody
RAZOR Alliance |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:50:00 - [ 18]
800 PG for Caldari  |
Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:55:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 10:35:32
Well, i was comparing it to the ECM + NOS dominix so no guns fitted. Drones would do all the damage while the ship nosses and repairs itself. Easy mode pvp. :) About the CPU not being enough, it would just use modules to fix that. Its not like it needs damage mods.
Yes, I know, but one must also remember that the nosferatus on the Dominix is a very heavy damage dealer as well as tank. Once the enemy cap is gone, or at least struggling, then the enemy will deal less damage and tank less (hence effective tank + damage). So any way you look at it, the Myrmiddon is going to be 20% dps behind, and that's not counting how much behind it's going to be on the NOS and/or ECM plane. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide. |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:58:00 - [ 20]
Useless... What the hell is Betrayal supposed to do that Prophecy couldn't? Now we can enjoy more damage output instead of superb tanking?  omg, that's a very 'fresh' approach!  |
Nafri
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2006.07.30 10:59:00 - [ 21]
Gallente:
+ 25m³ Dronebay per level
+ 5% Hybdrid damage per level
everything else would just lead to a cheaper Nosferix -.- |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:00:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 11:01:28 Originally by: Ithildin
Yes, I know, but one must also remember that the nosferatus on the Dominix is a very heavy damage dealer as well as tank. Once the enemy cap is gone, or at least struggling, then the enemy will deal less damage and tank less (hence effective tank + damage).
So any way you look at it, the Myrmiddon is going to be 20% dps behind, and that's not counting how much behind it's going to be on the NOS and/or ECM plane.
Yep. Still looks very ebil though. Also i noticed it has 5 medium slots. That seems to be a trend these days. The gallente ships get more and more medium slots, since they are getting more and more important in Eve these days. Amarr is going to have some crazy dps on their bc btw...probably the most of all. 8 turrets with 7 low slots.  |
Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:02:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: NOObbody
800 PG for Caldari
7x Heavy Missile Launcher IIs take between 661 and 735 powergrid. This leaves up to 339 powergrid left for shield tank. In comparison, the Hurricane is going to lose between 1732 and 1925 powergrid from 7x 720mm Howitzer IIs. This leaves 18 powergrid left for shield tank - although it looks like an armour tanking (or non-tanking) ship. Now, I don't know whether you were shocked over whether the powergrid numbers were high or low, in addition I know that 720mms and Heavy Launchers aren't comparable. This is only an illustration taking, blindly, the most demanding weapons of each ship. |
Nafri
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:02:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ithildin
Yes, I know, but one must also remember that the nosferatus on the Dominix is a very heavy damage dealer as well as tank. Once the enemy cap is gone, or at least struggling, then the enemy will deal less damage and tank less (hence effective tank + damage).
So any way you look at it, the Myrmiddon is going to be 20% dps behind, and that's not counting how much behind it's going to be on the NOS and/or ECM plane.
Yep. Still looks very ebil though. Also i noticed it has 5 medium slots. That seems to be a trend these days. The gallente ships get more and more medium slots, since they are getting more and more important in Eve these days.
Amarr is going to have some crazy dps on their bc btw...probably the most of all. 8 turrets with 8 low slots.
too bad for them that the damage mod stacking penalty is already ingame. But yeah, for me it looks like Gallente will be another "I-Win" 1vs1 button |
Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:08:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Nafri
Gallente:
+ 25m³ Dronebay per level
+ 5% Hybdrid damage per level
everything else would just lead to a cheaper Nosferix -.-
On this level, this is not a very threatening thing. We are talking about an RCU II to be able to fit full rack of Medium Nos, but at the same time that'd not leave anywhere near enough powergrid for an armour tank. I know that this is taking it to it's extreme, but I highly doubt the Myrmiddon is going to be able to pull off a Nos-ECM-Dom-ish setup without getting so extremely frail that a single cycle of failed Nos and it'll sustain enough damage that it'd die, even if the shooter isn't a battleship. |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:11:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Ithildin
I know that this is taking it to it's extreme, but I highly doubt the Myrmiddon is going to be able to pull off a Nos-ECM-Dom-ish setup without getting so extremely frail that a single cycle of failed Nos and it'll sustain enough damage that it'd die, even if the shooter isn't a battleship.
I hope thats how it works out actually. NOS + ECM is so powerful it needs to have severe penalties when it fails. |
Merv Tring
GeoTech
Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:16:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Ithildin
In comparison, the Hurricane is going to lose between 1732 and 1925 powergrid from 7x 720mm Howitzer IIs. This leaves 18 powergrid left for shield tank - although it looks like an armour tanking (or non-tanking) ship.
I'd say the Hurricane is very much intended as an AC ship. With 220mm you should have enough PG left for a healthy tank beside the MWD/Tackle/Booster mids. I wouldn't be surprised to see a falloff bonus on it, either. |
Awox
Minmatar
Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:18:00 - [ 28]
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Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:18:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Merv Tring
Originally by: Ithildin
In comparison, the Hurricane is going to lose between 1732 and 1925 powergrid from 7x 720mm Howitzer IIs. This leaves 18 powergrid left for shield tank - although it looks like an armour tanking (or non-tanking) ship.
I'd say the Hurricane is very much intended as an AC ship. With 220mm you should have enough PG left for a healthy tank beside the MWD/Tackle/Booster mids. I wouldn't be surprised to see a falloff bonus on it, either.
Yeah, Hurricane looks to be a fast, armor-tanked ac ship. If the devs fix the agility on these ships, it will be lots of fun to fly in pvp. |
Kazaam |
Posted - 2006.07.30 11:46:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 09:46:03
Ok, here is the current test server stats on tier 2 battlecruisers for those who dont know how to log in there or cant be bothered with installing the new client (Dragon).
How do you get those stats ? I mean I have the new Unicode client but I don't find anything about T2 BC or T3 BS. I obviously miss something here but could you tell me what ? |
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