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CCP Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.11.07 11:12:00 - [ 1]
hi
i have moved this thread to somewhere else where you can't access this. i have not done it to hide your voice, i have done it so i can read it and search for any information. i have been spending almost all of my time on the TQ issues and almost no time on kali and totally no time on china. it is something we are not ignoring and it will be resolved.
i'm looking in kali atm for the same problems, other than that i am not doing anything really with kali.
i have left this post open so you can comment. please feel free to do so. |
MMXMMX
Caldari
U.N.I.O.N |
Posted - 2006.11.07 11:23:00 - [ 2]
Hmmm intresting this ::)
Cant u tel us what we ar missing out here :) ? |
Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.11.07 11:42:00 - [ 3]
Edited by: Baleorg on 07/11/2006 14:43:57
sharkbait getting stranger and stranger :-P
i noticed that he sounded really annoyed/****ed about 3 weeks ago where all the "i cant login on sisi" posts came.
sounded like "shut up already, we know, just shut up. if you dont i ban everyone who posts "i cant login"
;)
he seemed calmed down a bit now (hmm beer, makes thing annoyed i know :-P )
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KOJIKI
Minmatar
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless |
Posted - 2006.11.07 11:51:00 - [ 4]
Yes, I have seen GM Shark in GB- lately, which is a great step forward in sorting these node crashes out. I'm for one am ready to wait with Kali another year if that's what it takes to sort out performance issues!!! |
Malfesa Longoten |
Posted - 2006.11.07 15:05:00 - [ 5]
I'm a little confused on the whole issue... what information is going to be garnered from a thread that shouldn't already be known a thousand times over?
The lag is horrible in the game - that about sums it up.
And if I might ask, what was that great hardware upgrade on the 1st supposed to accomplish? Because I have yet to see a real difference in lag since then.
I really don't understand why this seems like such a foreign concept to the people that matter in CCP. "it is something we are not ignoring and it will be resolved" Not to be an ass about it, but... haven't we been hearing that for an AWFULLY long time now? If it took THIS long to respond to and address the problem, and the recent hardware upgrade seemingly did nothing, what confidence are we, as paying customers, supposed to have about this issue EVER getting resolved? |
Julian Lynq |
Posted - 2006.11.07 15:24:00 - [ 6]
sounds a bit ... well.
you been hiding the thread so you could read it ?
couldnt you read it without hiding it ? or copy it ...
seems more like the thread was hidden so that people new to eve
cannot read it. |
Rybeck |
Posted - 2006.11.07 16:16:00 - [ 7]
Definetly very dodgy reason for removing a post that's for sure...
and i agree totally with what you guys are saying about the lag/server upgrades/promises, everything. It's all empty.
The games one of the best i've ever played, but it looks like it's all going the way EA treat their MMORPGs. More expansions, more money, less stability, less support.
It's quite sad really to see another good game go titanic... |
Saphora |
Posted - 2006.11.07 16:18:00 - [ 8]
Maybe the thread should be moved to the new players section of the forum?  We'd certainly get some results if the number of new subscribers suddenly dropped to zero... |
brenda over |
Posted - 2006.11.07 16:19:00 - [ 9]
if it help resolve the issues then so be it. but why could you not read it where it was ? |
Rybeck |
Posted - 2006.11.07 16:22:00 - [ 10]
That's kind of the point really. There is no reason to move a thread, other than to stop people looking at it.
The number of replies was ridiculous, like in it's 10's of thousands or something, and no company wants that kind of thread sat in their forums.
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Saphora |
Posted - 2006.11.07 16:25:00 - [ 11]
What's also sad is this thread will probably disappear if it becomes as much of a threat as the last one as well, and so on and so on, until people start getting banned for discussing it.
It's pretty much what happened when i was playing Ultima Online a few years back.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:42:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Sylthi on 07/11/2006 17:02:48Um, ok...... all I can say to this is echoed above, and that is: whatever. I mean, why couldn't you search the specific thread for what you wanted from the online search engine that is available to ALL of us? I can search specific threads only with a few simple commands, so I have to ASSUME that a dev would be able to, or more importantly SHOULD be able to. Also, some of the other comments that have been made: copy it? HELLO??? I also find it strange that a lot of other "negative" threads from general discussion and elsewhere that I was a part of were "removed for careful review" at the same time. Six threads in all; All of them HUGE both in reads and replies. All I can say is that we’re already having to put up with MONTHS of Oveur's broken promises of rapid fixes to the disgrace that is TQ, now THIS. I think this situation is rapidly degenerating into a "Sony" situation as well my brothers. But, this is an easy thing to test. Since they have seen fit to remove the first one, but gave us this one: START POSTING YOUR DISPLEASURE HERE. Since Sharkbait has now been amply informed, I believe, of our displeasure as to the first one disappearing, it SHOULDN'T happen again. If it DOES happen again, or your "negative" posts to this thread start "being removed for careful review" in massive droves, we will have "PROPAGANDA COVERUP CONFIRMED." If not, then this was just a questionable and bad decision on the part of a dev who is really trying to help. Either way, we will have more CONFIRMED information than we do now. So, I highly encourage EVERYONE to simply treat this thread like it was the "original" and keep posting your "Eve is becoming unplayable" comments here. Also, a VERY SIMPLE way that SB could PROVE that the conspiracy theories MIGHT be wrong is to make this new thread a STICKY. After all, with over 667 replies, and 22000 reads at my last count, there are a LOT of people out there who are going to be wondering what happened to the original thread. Wouldn’t it be SERVING the community’s interests to make it EASY for them to find the explanation of WHY it was cut? Seems like simple logic to me. But, do any of us truly believe they are going to do it? After all, what else can we really do besides keep posting our displeasure? (If you have not left, are planning to leave, or encouraging everyone who will listen NOT to become involved in Eve right now.) ESPECIALLY after, what I PERSONALLY believe, is the iron hand of injustice falling down this hard. But, that is only my PERSONAL belief. As always, I am VERY interested in the opinions of my fellow community members (except Grez). So please, post away peps! Cheers!  P.S. I just had another question in my mind: What "information" is Sharkbait so intently searching the original thread for? Information on bugs they are working on? A black list of accounts that need to be banned from the forums and game for their "negativity"? BOTH? Only time, and you my brothers, can decide.... |
Warnings
D-Stress
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Posted - 2006.11.07 17:19:00 - [ 13]
It's possible to create a new post with a list of all bugs please ?
Hide the thread = hide issue alredy posted ...
I have since Dragoon a problem with fps ... Time of time (1 day on 2), I drop 50% fps at each jump when I go to 2 fps, it's stable but not playable. I need to disconnect/reconnect for reincrease my fps. If I stay in the system, it's ok ...
I have send petition => Bug report, I have send a bug report with all (logs, ping, ...) and I have precised to send my a email for have info on my issue but I wait always ...
(You have found the problem ?, understand my problem ?, corrected the problem ?, I don't know, no answer ...) |
Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2006.11.07 17:52:00 - [ 14]
I also have the problems described by the original poster in the thread you're referring to (though not as bad since I play off hours). In Aramachi, with 13,000 people logged into the server and 65 people in system, the lag can be pretty bad. I can't imagine how it is during peak times.
A second issue is how missile-firing deadspace pirates aggro. It seems that all the pirates in a spawn aggro simultaneously, meaning that all the pirates fire their missiles at once. This leads to an immense ammount of client lag that can take 20-30 seconds to clear, depending on the size of the pocket. Afterwords, as pirates with different rates of fire start to stagger their shots, the lag becomes workable. It would really help if NPC pirates would wait a random ammount of time after aquiring lock to fire their first missile. |
Sombike
Caldari
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2006.11.07 17:58:00 - [ 15]
Seems to me its time to make another topic with the same name?
What do u think? Hiding the problems will make them go away?
Couldnt u just post this INTO the topic, to let us know that u saw it (after 100k replys)
Anyway this isnt gonna solve anything for u, the ppl are just gonna post new topics and spamm the forums even more ... |
Zimm
Zimm Corp |
Posted - 2006.11.07 18:14:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Zimm on 07/11/2006 18:35:16
Just renewed my account three days ago, should have read the forum before I did that. The game is unplayable. My typical game experience includes about 30 seconds where I can interact with the client (fly, shoot, get database information). The game will then lock for 30sec to 2 minutes.
This continues over and over again. Don't want to do any missions, mining, or traveling in fear that during a 2 minute lag I will get podded.
Any ETA to a fix?
What I have noticed will sitting in the station:
If I open the Character sheet and look at a skill that is being trained. The skill will tick down like normal for about 10-30 seconds. The skill will then jump forward to the time where I will be unstuck. For example: lets say that my skill has 45 minutes to complete. As it ticks down to 44 minutes 45 seconds, it all the sudden jumps down to 43 minutes and 15 seconds. During that difference in time (1 minute 30 seconds) I will not be able to do anything with the client. |
Malfesa Longoten |
Posted - 2006.11.07 18:17:00 - [ 17]
Deleting (oh wait, I meant "moving"  ) the original thread is so extremely dodgy, that I am seriously starting to question CCP at this point. As was mentioned, this really reeks of a coverup of "Sony" proportions. There's no good reason to do so other than to try to bury the topic and hope it goes away. It can be "read" just fine where it was, or copied, if need be. I find it amazing that a topic that has spiralled out of control, has been promised to be resolved for far too long, was supposed to have been taken care of with the recent hardware upgrades, and has obviously gotten a lot of people pretty rankled, SUDDENLY has to be "hidden away" so that "information can be found". What, is the solution to the problem somehow hidden and buried deep within that thread? You mean all the answers lie within, just waiting to be discovered? How could we miss such vital information for so long?  The more I think about it, the more it looks like a cover-up, plain and simple. I can see the CCP mandate now... "Guys, no matter what we try, we can't fix the lag. The only thing we can do now is to try to bury the problem and hope it goes away. Devs: if you see an inflammatory thread, get rid of it. Make up some reason for deleting it... whatever you can think of. We don't want these angry paying customers fanning the flames and causing people to cancel their accounts" Sound ridiculous? It sure does. But it also seems to be close to the truth at this point. |
Zimm
Zimm Corp |
Posted - 2006.11.07 18:36:00 - [ 18]
What I have noticed will sitting in the station:
If I open the Character sheet and look at a skill that is being trained. The skill will tick down like normal for about 10-30 seconds. The skill will then jump forward to the time where I will be unstuck. For example: lets say that my skill has 45 minutes to complete. As it ticks down to 44 minutes 45 seconds, it all the sudden jumps down to 43 minutes and 15 seconds. During that difference in time (1 minute 30 seconds) I will not be able to do anything with the client. |
Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2006.11.07 18:58:00 - [ 19]
This sounds fishy, and the impression I am getting is the coverup idea aswell. The only remaining hope in my mind (this is not the devs mind, but a consumer) is that the lag is unsolvable. It may be that technology as it stands has reached its limit, TQ iv been told is rapidly becoming one of teh 100 most powerful computer systems on earth, but it relies on light. To the best of my knowlage, light has only so much data it can cary, is it possible that based on ccps budget, this is it until we lay our hands on quantom processors? If this is solvable, would it hurt CCPs reputation much to admit that they have a problem they cannot solve, afterall, if they did have the courage to admit a problem that they cannot control istead of cover it up, wouldent we stay on ship?
Admittadly as an anti-climax, my alts account wont be renewed until the servers allow me to use more than a singular charecter at a decent FPS. |
Tortellina
Gallente
Apocalypse Knights
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Posted - 2006.11.07 20:30:00 - [ 20]
hmm. this is turning to be what EA did with their Earth & Beyond game. all was good until too many problems rised and lag everywhere. lots of angry customers on the forums complaining and they announce a "pull the plug" thread, then 6 months later, they pulled the plug on the whole game.
hope this is not going to happen here since i enjoy the game a lot. hope they fix the problems and not pull the plug. |
Synderella |
Posted - 2006.11.07 20:37:00 - [ 21]
This smells strongly of a cover-up attempt.
Facts: Your client has problems on many peoples' machines. It just doesn't run properly on a seemingly large number of different configurations. This was always a problem, but "Dragon" broke the client on a lot of systems that were happily running before. Your server code seems to outsiders to be flawed to the point where it appears that no amount of hardware upgrades that you can throw at it will fix the issues for your playerbase. Many people aren't able to play the game and are paying for the ability to log on and switch skills and chat (when they can actually get in).
I, personally, haven't been able to run a combat mission in a couple months. As soon as I try to go into combat, my client stutters and acts like it's running on a 286. This happens on multiple computers with different hardware configs. I had NO PROBLEMS with combat before "Dragon". I can play WOW at 40(raid)- 60(normal)FPS @ 1920x1200 res even with all candy enabled.
If it wasn't for my shipbuilding business, I wouldn't even bother to log on except to change skills. Now, even my business is starting to go south. People just aren't buying as many ships because the lag is so bad that people aren't fighting/playing as much. Because building is non-intensive and can be done even if there's lag, more people seem to be getting into it increasing the competition in an already slow market.
I've been entertaining the idea of selling out everything and leaving the game permanently. The only thing that's kept me around is the hope that CCP were different from EA and Sony.
I see that this may not be the case after all. Are you going take more lessons from Sony/EA and start banning people for posting that they are having a negative playing experience next? This isn't a troll, this is a serious question because, if you are, I'll just cancel and pack up now and save myself and CCP some grief.
Thanks
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Rybeck |
Posted - 2006.11.07 21:07:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: Rybeck on 07/11/2006 21:14:52
Edited by: Rybeck on 07/11/2006 21:12:45
Edited by: Rybeck on 07/11/2006 21:11:42
I think the biggest thing they can do to stop the situation get any worse is not take on any more accounts.
No, i don't think for a minute that this will happen, because every business takes on the customers first and then uses that money to actually pay for the ability to provide for those customers, but you need to be able to keep your existing customers happy in the mean time or they'll b***er off and take their money elsewhere.
But seriously, if they haven't got enough whatever (CPU/RAM/Bandwidth/Physical Space/Strong enough south-westerly wind(???)) to provide any kind of service to their current customers, what the hell are they doing taking more accounts on??
If throwing more hardware at it isn't working (which based on the flop of the Wednesday upgrade seems so), then they need to look at the game mechanics/code itself. Redistibution of resources, agents, complexs, etc etc, and physically spread the load that way.
The last time i complained about lag i was basically told to go to another system, or quit complaining. I can't even begin to describe how angry that made me, but the point here is you can't expect half of the EVE world to work twice as hard as the rest simply because you don't have the setup to accomadate everyone. I'm a paying bl***y customer, and i don't expect to be told that i can't fly where i want and have the same experience. Why should i diminish my gaming experience because they can't provide me with the service i pay for???
In the normal working world, if you pay a company for a service, and they don't deliver, you try to get your money back and then phone the next company on the list and go with them instead.
We don't have the option of going elsewhere for EVE in particular, but if they don't sort the flipping problems out soon something needs to be done EVE wide by us paying customers to make them listen and actually fix the problem once and for all. |
Zeko Rena
Caldari
Tankt
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Posted - 2006.11.08 02:55:00 - [ 23]
My connection to eve has gotten worse since the hardware upgrades, but i dont think my 5 year old pc or my dodgy isp is helping, hopefully when i get my new laptop and isp eve will become more playable :) |
Enkilil
Minmatar
Carbon Moon Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.08 03:15:00 - [ 24]
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KeepItSimple
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2006.11.08 05:19:00 - [ 25]
Edited by: KeepItSimple on 08/11/2006 05:21:14 Originally by: Sharkbait
i have moved this thread to somewhere else where you can't access this. i have not done it to hide your voice, i have done it so i can read it and search for any information.
You removed the thread so you could read it? That just doesn't make sense to me at all  Close to 30,000 reads and 700 people posting in that tread about the huge lag problems in EVE. Care to tell us why you really moved it? |
umah |
Posted - 2006.11.08 06:11:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Sharkbait
hi
i have moved this thread to somewhere else where you can't access this. i have not done it to hide your voice, i have done it so i can read it and search for any information. i have been spending almost all of my time on the TQ issues and almost no time on kali and totally no time on china. it is something we are not ignoring and it will be resolved.
i'm looking in kali atm for the same problems, other than that i am not doing anything really with kali.
i have left this post open so you can comment. please feel free to do so.
Fair enough, It should be obvious that this is not a problem that hardware is going to solve... Something changed fundamentally with Dragon, and lag is now the number one issue. Kali will make no difference to the players if it fails to address lag. Lag is you number one issue, people can't fight, people can't trade, and its been going on for over a month. If you know whats wrong, get the fix out there. I don't see any new concurrent user records being set so you already have a problem. If Kali comes in bug infested and laggy. Say bye bye to half the players. |
Blank Protection
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.08 06:18:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Blank Protection on 08/11/2006 06:28:24 Originally by: Sharkbait
hi
i have moved this thread to somewhere else where you can't access this. i have done it to hide your voice, .......
i have left this post open so you can comment. please feel free to do so.
This is rather odd.  Deleting a 24 pages long thread of bad Eve propaganda. This situation stinks. It has nothing to do with reading it and searching for information to solve a Massive Online Lag Game. They just don`t want new customers to read all this negative information about Eve. Got more and more the feeling that tons of players are dropping there accounts and just have quit playing Eve because the game just become unplayable.  No way something wrong is going on here. Originally by: KeepItSimple
Edited by: KeepItSimple on 08/11/2006 05:21:14
Care to tell us why you really moved it?
Just like the deleted thread i think where not going to hear anything from a GM till this tread has also reached 23 pages. And than deleting it again to search for information. What does CCP think? That whe are a bunch of 6 years old kids or something? |
Julian Lynq |
Posted - 2006.11.08 10:11:00 - [ 28]
the MASSIVE lag really just appeared after the Dragon patch.
it doesnt seem to have anything todo with too many new players
and it doesnt have to do with insta-bookmars (as proclaimed) imo aswell.
insta bm's where there in bloodlines and previous to that aswell, and
theres no reason why people would suddenly have soo much more instas
since the dragon patch.
ergo: something within the dragon-code is buggy. |
Krav
Egad Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:59:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Sharkbait
i'm looking in kali atm for the same problems, other than that i am not doing anything really with kali.
i have left this post open so you can comment. please feel free to do so.
Ok, this goes to all posters between me and sharkbait OP: Don't you think ACKNOWLEDGING the thread's existance, and leaving a replacement, kinda defeats the whole "Master plot" to sweep our concerns under the rug, away from view? Seriously, invest in a t2 tinfoil hat. Soon. He says he's working on the problems as a high priority, even so far as removing them from Kali at the same time. But I guess you'll just call me a fanboi and keep on whining about it. Never good enough for ya, eh? Well, I, for one, would just like to say thanks to sharkbait for working on all these lag issues that plague tranquility. Hopefully it will lead to positive outcomes for Eve and then we can all get on the forums to complain about --balance, or something... I'm sure when the time comes, the forum warriors will be ready. Krav |
KeepItSimple
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2006.11.08 17:43:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Krav
Don't you think ACKNOWLEDGING the thread's existance, and leaving a replacement, kinda defeats the whole "Master plot" to sweep our concerns under the rug, away from view?
No, I don't think so. To give Shark the benefit of doubt, I asked why the original tread was hidden. I welcome any efforts to reduce lag and fix the problems in EVE, but I don't like 700 posts being hidden like this. |
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