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Xenny Lee
Minmatar
coracao ardente
Triumvirate. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 02:29:00 - [ 121]
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mamolian
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2007.01.17 03:23:00 - [ 122]
 Originally by: Dominixa
I can confirm that this has been in planning long before Maelstrom Alliance came under any kind of attack. The main members of our two corporations go way back and they are a great bunch to work with. You guys can pin whatever kind of blame you want for the situation, but to single out Total Mayhem is wrong. Your alliance got attacked by a numerically superior determined force. As for people worrying about Blue standings, we won't have much of that here.
Don't get us wrong here Dominixa, we are not blaming the loss of I-NG on Total Mayhem.. We are not singling them out.. But don't for a second think this thread is the right place for JabJab to post that ****.. Make a separate thread.. and make your announcement of your new alliance.. Please don't come in here.. into a I-NGI8 outpost loss announcement thread and hope to receive any form of a welcome.. If you had gone about this the correct way.. the entire of Eve-o, would be unaware of my own feelings.. or those of our alliance towards Total Mayhem.. I would simply of avoided posting there.. TM have no place in this thread.. You were not here for the fight.. you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets.. and it may be best.. for whats left of your reputation.. to keep out of the limelight for a few months..  |
EntroX
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2007.01.17 05:00:00 - [ 123]
Originally by: Vhulheim Oct
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I will miss you too mate, contact me in game someday i wouldn't like to loose contact :P Originally by: mamolian
TM have no place in this thread.. You were not here for the fight.. you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets.. and it may be best.. for whats left of your reputation.. to keep out of the limelight for a few months..
In this case you are wrong mate, if you want more details regarding this you should contact a TM director or if you hate them too much you can contact me, i dont think i gave you a reason to hate me :P Yours. EntroX |
mamolian
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2007.01.17 05:28:00 - [ 124]
Originally by: EntroX
In this case you are wrong mate, if you want more details regarding this you should contact a TM director or if you hate them too much you can contact me, i dont think i gave you a reason to hate me :P
Yours.
EntroX
I don't hate any TM EntroX. Its just rather a pity, a lot of good pilots are being painted in a bad light.. due to the decisions made by your corps leadership.. Its not the first time JabJab and Lanielle have packed up and ran.. Its certainly not the first time Lazor Monkeys packed up and ran.. And now after their Merger.. Total Mayhem leadership have become quite the athlete's.. Perhaps its all that running..? Theres many individual pilots inside TM.. that have nothing only my respect.. Those individual pilots are more than welcome inside maelstrom.. Its your leadership that have no honorable business inside a thread associated with I-NGI8.. |
Emrod
Amarr
Legion Du Lys
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Posted - 2007.01.17 05:57:00 - [ 125]
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Kel Dario
Amarr
Blue Sky Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.17 06:33:00 - [ 126]
Originally by: Aaron Static
Sometimes it's better to jump off a sinking ship... like when it's hull is completely decayed and drowning is imminent
well done to TCF and good luck to TM
and mamo... we'll no doubt see each other again ;)
Bitter much Aaron? He couldn't take it that we kicked out a friend of his becaus of betrayal  I guess we are doomed to have you in every thread where -M- is mentioned for the rest of our/your eve-life. |
Timmy Bettenson
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 07:16:00 - [ 127]
Originally by: mamolian
Its certainly not the first time Lazor Monkeys packed up and ran..
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Kather
Amarr
Total Mayhem.
Eternal Rapture |
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:28:00 - [ 128]
Originally by: mamolian
stuff
its kinda funny, i got the impression over the last few months (pretty much since the foundation of TM) that the most vocal people of ]v[ didnt want us in the alliance. as fun as all the flame threads about us were, i never for one second thought there would be this amount of anger at us leaving. i honestly thought you'd be happy. Lazor never ran. we've been in a fair few alliances now but if you look at it, they were all dead or as good as dead when we left. sure our directors have an 'interesting' way to deal with things, but they're just enjoying the game the way they enjoy it having said all that, i did quite like being in ]v[. theres a good community spirit there, and atleast now you're prepared to fight (which most of the alliance wernt before). its a shame that some complete egits ruin the whole thing |
Solasta Kovacs
Gallente
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:30:00 - [ 129]
I find this stuff absolutely staggering. Accusations left right and centre with absolutely no evidence, reasoning or substance. Points put in response, WITH evidence and explanation, dismissed agressively, without any sort of justification.
I think we see precisely in this thread, why TMs member (and not juyst the directors by any means) were keen to leave this alliance.
For the record many of us were fighting in IN. Look at the dread killmail for a start.
You have confirmation from an SOD guy above that this was in the planning LONG before TCF arrived in IN. Yet some choose to ignore that in favour of hysterical cries of "cowards". It is a terrible shame that folk feel the need to find a scapegoat and cannot show even the slightest respect for people who worked damned hard whilst in the alliance, FOR the alliance.
There are so many more myths that could be readily dispelled and it is sad and offensive to see them propogated by people leading an alliance such as M which contains a lot of good people. I hope (and believe) that most of those good people have minds of their own and can form their own reasoned views rather than simply accepted the aggressive rhetoric which Mammo and a few others seem determined to put out.
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TTIGER
Caldari
LaiDai Research Services
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:49:00 - [ 130]
Agreed Originally by: mamolian
TM have no place in this thread..
disagreed ,some were somenot, this is unacceptable for TM members who fought in I-N until end,I still have 6 loss mails from sunday not posted to alliance kb Originally by: mamolian
You were not here for the fight..
Altough im leaving from TM ,i can say this is BS ,yes a member talked without knowledge of TM management but TM management rejected this. Originally by: mamolian
you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets..
PS:For mods atm im in pc ,ill leave at 12.00 evetime .If you delete my post cause not in pc ill start using my flamethrower  |
Timmy Bettenson
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:02:00 - [ 131]
to sum up stop making lies and trying to make up for your own failings.
we have provided evidence, make up ur own minds. but don't make up rubbish in the process. |
DeTox MinRohim
Minmatar
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:16:00 - [ 132]
It's been fun and entertaining, respect to all that made or tried to make a difference in this fight. As for the TM subject, let's get over it...(for this thread at least). This thread is about honoring both sides and the I-NGI8 epic battle. Everybody will have occasions anyway to put their e-peens on the line for comparison one way or another... ... another time.  |
Led Astray
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.17 10:32:00 - [ 133]
Originally by: Timmy Bettenson
Originally by: mamolian
Its certainly not the first time Lazor Monkeys packed up and ran..
i think hes refering to Lazor Monkeys clearing out of the holding corp of Ghosts of Retribution, taking all the mins/loot and then trying to sell it all to alliance members before running off with everything they could get there hands on that wasnt tied down and bogging off to join KOS Ghosts was NOT dead at the point lazor monkey left, but they definatly tried to kill it. in the end the corps that were left went and created a new allinace, but fact remains lazor cleared that alliance out before leaving and left it with nothing to die. |
JabJabVVV
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 13:25:00 - [ 134]
Edited by: JabJabVVV on 17/01/2007 14:46:37Edited by: JabJabVVV on 17/01/2007 13:41:05Mamo, I always knew you where reactionary and quick to anger, as you recognised yourself on the Maelstrom forums, however I never realised you where this full of venom and lies. I made a statement which to the best of my knowledge is true to defend my corp against a couple of insults that maelstrom members (yourself included) made against us and you then attack my corp and unbelievably you attack me personally and accuse me of some quite outrageous things. I am not speaking for the other TM directors just for myself here. You accuse me of a thieving and dishonest nature. Quote:
Thank god we didn't allow your corp access to the holding corp.. Or you would have run off with what few billions we have left..
Why did you say this? When have I ever stolen anything? I have, along with the other TM directors, had, at various points, access to very valuable resources both strategic and monetary but I have never taken anything that I shouldn’t have nor given anyone the reason to think that I would yet you accuse me of being capable of doing something like that. You accuse me of being a coward Quote:
Its not the first time JabJab and Lanielle have packed up and ran
I can’t believe you are saying this! I have been in Maelstrom for pretty much my whole time in Eve, when have I ever done this aside from when it was an alliance decision? This is complete BS. Quote:
TM have no place in this thread.. You were not here for the fight.. you napped with TCF to allow you easier evac'ing for your assets
You gave us the right to respond here Mamo when you first insulted us in this thread (not a single TM member had posted at this point) Quote:
PS.. It has amused us no end to hear of Total Mayhem's acceptance of that NAP offer from TCF.
A pox on their house.
In future I suggest you don’t denigrate someone then expect them to remain silent. As for the TCF nap, this is incorrect (as Frederik himself acknowledged). We have not changed our standings to TCF and do not intend to, they may have set us positive briefly due to a misunderstanding but at no point did any TM director give them the impression that they should do this. As for us not being there for the fight, I agree we weren’t there in our usual numbers for a lot of the fight after the first day however neither where any of the corps really except XMX (one of your own directors acknowledged before we left that a lot of your corp where back in empire)- being 2nd and 3rd top killers and loosers respectively for the month several days after we left the alliance indicates to me that we participated fairly well the (mis)quote ‘take the plank out of your own eye before removing the splinter from your neighbours’ seems quite apt here.. Frankly I think you owe me and Lanielle an apology Mamo, as whatever you think about what we have done you have accused us personally of some horrendous things completely without reason or cause. However if you truly believe all that you have said then I think you need to get help as most of it is utter c**p but I’m sure you know that. To the rest of Maelstrom I wish you good luck and thank you for the various messages of support we have received; to those who sent... not so supporting messages, well, I'm sorry you feel that way but please be assured we meant the alliance no harm but we were going our way while the alliance was going theirs, it's just a shame that TCF attacked right at the critical point. To the Maelstrom leadership; I'll donate isk to buy Mamo a muzzle if you want, he is doing you no service by spouting this offensive rubbish. EDIT: to reply to mamo's post immediately below (don't want to create any more posts). Wrong again Mamo - we left XFC when XFC was still in Gerek to form T4A and there was NO war dec. We actually rejoined ]v[ with T4A shortly after the Spont war dec and fought them (I have kill/loss mails if you want). |
mamolian
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2007.01.17 14:32:00 - [ 135]
I seem to remember you leaving during the Spontanious defenstration war? Along with Lanielle, and Piercer.. from XFC? not ring a bell Jab? and the reason given.. "Not enough PVP"  Sure Individual member of TM did stay behind.. and fight. I witnessed with my own eyes.. quite a few ships going self destruct also.. dispite calls of "OMG STOP! We'll buy the ship from you.." You have no place in a thread associated with maelstrom.. and or I-NGI8.. neither does your corp.. the eve community is not interested in your excuses.. only your actions.. And so far.. TM have quite a reputation.. Spineless thieves that will run at the first sign of trouble.. (Perhaps not you directly Jab.. although I believe my goldfish has more backbone.. Your fellow Lazor Directors are nothing but a pack of dogs.) Disgustfest.. o/ |
Sergio Ling
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2007.01.17 14:43:00 - [ 136]
It goes against everything I believe in, and it's gonna break tradition, but i'm gonna have to largely agree with mamo here. Actions speak louder than words, and when your actions are silent and your words are 'WTS Dominix' in local, one can draw their own assumptions |
Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Talos Coalition |
Posted - 2007.01.17 14:45:00 - [ 137]
you win some, you lose some more. |
Aelena Thraant
Caldari
The Executives
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2007.01.17 15:03:00 - [ 138]
Edited by: Aelena Thraant on 17/01/2007 15:08:02
Wow... Just Wow... So much hate for TM from some of the guys here. I don't know what happened in ]v[ with them, but we had a great relationship with them in KOS and ever since. I think SOD is a bit to blame here. We have been pushing TM to join us heavily for a while and they kept saying we want to help ]v[ out as much as we can before we left. So with all this backstabbing and name calling I guess they should have just unanchored their poses and yet TCF take the open moons.... Instead they kept them up and trying to fight as much as possible.
And guys you need to go check your killboard. I'm looking at their kills and they have a TON of kills on the 8th, 9th, 10th... Not so many on the 11th but from what I hear things were already decided by then. Anyone not believe me... Google Maelstrom Alliance and go to their killboard and look for yourself.
When they first joined you they asked us to come join.... Sounds like we made the right decision in not joining. |
mamolian
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2007.01.17 15:17:00 - [ 139]
Originally by: Aelena Thraant
Wow... Just Wow... So much hate for TM from some of the guys here. I don't know what happened in ]v[ with them, but we had a great relationship with them in KOS and ever since. I think SOD is a bit to blame here. We have been pushing TM to join us heavily for a while and they kept saying we want to help ]v[ out as much as we can before we left. So with all this backstabbing and name calling I guess they should have just unanchored their poses and yet TCF take the open moons.... Instead they kept them up and trying to fight as much as possible.
"Instead they kept them up and tried to fight as much as possible"? I think I better just cancel my subscription before I have a stroke.. GM-OK7 POS.. Offline, 94FR POS Offline.. B-R pos they lost a carrier while trying to evac it.. Their last pos in I-NGI8, suddenly begins to shoot friendlies.. Quite the final message of goodwill there TM.. "I don't know what happened in ]v[ with them, but we had a great relationship with them in KOS and ever since." Their directorship doubletaked.. when was asked them WHAT THE **** was going on.. with their members self destructing their ships in front of the rest of us.. We offered to buy the ships from some of them.. some sold the ships.. some declined and self destructed anyway.. We had many many ships go missing.. that suddenly ended up on the market.. and when purchased.. low and behold.. TM members. We had TM directorship doubletake when I asked them why one of their members was shooting Blue's.. I believe their response was.. "It dosnt matter at this stage does it?" Nakatah.. you dog. Don't you ****ing dare... come onto a public forum.. and try to spin your actions as honorable.. TM directorship are scum. I'll allow the Eve community decide whos side of the story is the truth.. |
desintox
Caldari
Square Dimensions
Quantum Cookies |
Posted - 2007.01.17 15:25:00 - [ 140]
Let's end this here guys  Fresh start for TM and Maelstrom. |
DeTox MinRohim
Minmatar
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 15:27:00 - [ 141]
Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 17/01/2007 15:24:48
Suggestion: Close this thread.
Respect has been given to each side from both sides and the rest of the community, everything has been said.
As for ]V[ and TM... They are both going part ways now... no point to add anything else.
Moving on... o/ |
JabJabVVV
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 15:41:00 - [ 142]
This is the end of the argument from the TM point of view. You evidently have your agenda; those who know us better will realise the truth - that's enough for us.
Back on topic. Good fight all, It was certainly impressive seeing the big red blob on the map for almost a week. |
enymphia
Caldari
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2007.01.17 16:08:00 - [ 143]
lock this thread? last 20 posts has been off topic |
Melonne
Caldari
Star's Dust Entertainment
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Posted - 2007.01.17 19:08:00 - [ 144]
Edited by: Melonne on 17/01/2007 19:05:22
I only want to thank, like fred says, "Maelstrom and Myriad for their fighting spirit and sportsmanlike behaviour during the siege".
It's rare and appreciable. |
Kyguard
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.17 21:48:00 - [ 145]
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Warg Rider
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.01.17 21:54:00 - [ 146]
Why did Vortex pos attack a LV carrier when before that an order was made to put the same pass on all pos and set standings to are friends?
Why did the fleet commander in Maelstrom warp us in to the enemy 2 time’s and said he did not and it must have been a bug, something very fishy there.
Before you start having a go at other corp.'s who have left start looking at what’s going on inside the alliance 1st and sort it out. Then you will have the rights to have a go at other crop’s that left alliance.
There are still a few corp.'s in Maelstrom who are talking about leaving because the leader’s don’t know what they are doing. There one corp in Maelstrom who said they like to join TM new alliance’s, so that show’s some do like the way TM work. This remark in alliance chat did not go down good and was told if they or any other corp join TM the alliance will Dec them.
I like to say good luck to all in TM. Thank you tcf for the big fight. I hope are alliance can learn by this and work as a team to become a good alliance. |
Sergio Ling
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2007.01.17 22:07:00 - [ 147]
Originally by: Warg Rider
Why did Vortex pos attack a LV carrier when before that an order was made to put the same pass on all pos and set standings to are friends?
Why did the fleet commander in Maelstrom warp us in to the enemy 2 time’s and said he did not and it must have been a bug, something very fishy there.
Before you start having a go at other corp.'s who have left start looking at what’s going on inside the alliance 1st and sort it out. Then you will have the rights to have a go at other crop’s that left alliance.
There are still a few corp.'s in Maelstrom who are talking about leaving because the leader’s don’t know what they are doing. There one corp in Maelstrom who said they like to join TM new alliance’s, so that show’s some do like the way TM work. This remark in alliance chat did not go down good and was told if they or any other corp join TM the alliance will Dec them.
I like to say good luck to all in TM. Thank you tcf for the big fight. I hope are alliance can learn by this and work as a team to become a good alliance.
and when you post with your main (mods, DISCIPLINE HIM) we will answer these |
Aaron Static
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2007.01.17 23:13:00 - [ 148]
Originally by: Kel Dario
Bitter much Aaron?
Actually no... I'm having a great time these days. Give me your email address and I'll send you a postcard from I-NG. Quote:
He couldn't take it that we kicked out a friend of his becaus of betrayal
Actually no. I left coz I was sick of incompetent leadership. I felt it best that I didnt tell the alliance at the time and incite dissent amongst the ranks, but I guess that doesnt mean anything now. I had started a new corp and planned my leaving long before that 'friend' even joined the alliance. I posted on your forums the day I found out what had happened, many weeks after the event. Quote:
I guess we are doomed to have you in every thread where -M- is mentioned for the rest of our/your eve-life.
Sure why not... makes work-time more interesting. see yous around ;) |
Khayman33
Caldari
Section XIII
Cursed Alliance |
Posted - 2007.01.18 01:26:00 - [ 149]
Edited by: Khayman33 on 18/01/2007 19:03:37
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Helga Burtock
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.01.18 01:41:00 - [ 150]
Edited by: Helga Burtock on 18/01/2007 11:24:02
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