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Nosebreaker
Tradewind Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 13:02:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Nosebreaker on 09/02/2007 14:44:48
Edited by: Nosebreaker on 09/02/2007 13:01:44
This is Tradewind's first public share offering.
Shares remaining: 47,000
About the company:
A newly formed corporation with a small but strong industrial and trade-based membership, Tradewind Industries has already begun the long process of investing, trading and acting as the intermediary to facilitate the wallet-friendly production of capital ships for customers.
Tradewind Industries is a third-party brokerage corporation dedicated to providing customers with the most economical capital ship pricing available – pricing that still rewards the participant producer via low margins but a high turnover due to repeat business and sound professionalism from Tradewind and its associates. Tradewind Industries also deals in the buying & selling of commercial goods.
Currently, Tradewind Industries has been invested in by several manufacturing corporations who independently produce several types of capital ship and capital ship components, all of whom also use Tradewind’s professional services. This initial investment offer was performed on a private and silent basis. Tradewind Industries is well on its way to a highly profitable and propitious first half of 2007.
What is this Investment opportunity?
Tradewind Industries has recently been charged by its major initial investors with the procurement of a second Mothership BPO (Blueprint Original) as a long-term investment. Tradewind Industries and its partners are intending to provide a combined 67% of the purchase price, with the remaining 33% being obtained through the sale of Tradewind Industries shares. The minerals & components necessary for production of the Mothership will be supplied and financed separately by Tradewind’s associates and contracted business partners.
Tradewind Industries will henceforth be offering the sale of 47,000 (33% of the total, with 37% being held by Tradewind and 30% being held by Tradewind’s first-stage investors) of its shares at the rate of 115,000 ISK per share in order to raise the remaining capital needed to purchase a Wyvern Blueprint Original, costing 16.2 billion ISK.
Edit-Due to a correction the purported amount now needed to be raised by investors is 5.405bn.
The nitty-gritty:
There are several stages to ensuring sound financial returns and long-term, rewarding commitment incentives for both the investors and the invested.
The first stage of the venture is that upon receipt of the BPO, the manufacturer will research it to an ME of 1 at one of their securely located and constantly guarded research stations. This will ensure that the cost of the Wyverns produced from this BPO will be as competitively priced as is feasible.
The second stage of the venture is that upon completion of the research on the BPO to ME 1, the BPO will be moved to the manufacturer’s private facilities to be built from. This is a process which will take a time of up to 12 weeks from the finish of the material efficiency research to the rolling out of the first produced ship with all things considered.
The third stage of the venture is that during the time the first Wyvern is in production, Tradewind Industries will be paying fortnightly dividends at the conclusion of the investment offer using a percentage of the combined profits minus tangential expenses of the sale of all capital ships sold in the period by Tradewind Industries and its partners, to a figure of no less than 10% and no greater than 40%, to be determined by Tradewind using the number and value of sales conducted as a reference to the percentage to be paid. This ensures that while you’re waiting for the first Wyvern to pop out of the oven you’ll still be receiving some ISK to tide you over.
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Nosebreaker
Tradewind Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 13:02:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Nosebreaker on 09/02/2007 13:00:37
That sounds OK; But what about the real investment?
There are several steps to reaching (and surpassing) the initial investment cost.
The first ship produced will be sold at auction, priced highly competitively so as to immediately facilitate the funding of the construction of another Wyvern whilst still allowing Tradewind Industries to pay investors back 30% of the amount they initially invested.
The second Wyvern will be produced in a different region to maintain security and anonymity. This second Wyvern will, upon completion, be sold at auction at a competitive price. This will allow Tradewind Industries to pay investors back 50% of the amount they initially invested.
The third Wyvern will be produced, as above, in another region for security purposes. This will be sold at a price similar to that of the second Wyvern. This will enable us to pay our investors another 50% of their initial investment – which already takes the tally to 130% of the initial investment (or approximately 145,000 ISK per share!).
Tradewind and its partners will continue to produce Wyverns and pay dividends to the investors involved in this opportunity as long as we are able to and a market demand for them exists. We have long-term goals and a great desire to make all involved parties as much ISK as possible over as quick a time as possible.
Upon the sale of the third Wyvern, all investors will be offered the chance to sell their shares back to Tradewind Industries at the nominal rate of 132% of the purchase price. This is when your investment comes to fruition. However, should you choose to retain your shares you could find them becoming far more valuable than previously realised.
So – who are these rich investors you talk of?
Unless they choose to reveal themselves in this thread it is information we are unable to provide. Considering the existence of the new Agent locator, cloaked ships and people’s willingness to commit espionage for the right sums we will not disclose this as it could endanger the livelihoods of both Tradewind Industries and its partners.
How much is in your corporation’s bank at this moment?
That information will never be disclosed to an uninvolved party, and will only be disclosed upon Tradewind’s discretion. However, I will state that it is at minimum 67% of the value of a Wyvern BPO at regular market value.
That sounds like a good plan. How do I sign up?
To purchase shares in Tradewind Industries’ Wyvern BPO acquisition investment opportunity, please follow the steps below:
1) Please send an Evemail to Nosebreaker (without quotation marks) with “Wyvern BPO Investment” in the heading. The Evemail should detail the number of shares you would like to receive.
2) Upon receipt of the Evemail I will reply with a confirmation.
3) After the purchaser receives the confirmation, please deposit the appropriate sum into Tradewind Industries’ account.
4) Upon receipt of the appropriate sum the desired number of shares will be transferred to the purchaser by the first person available to do so.
Please note that there is no minimum purchase, however the maximum number of shares that can be purchased by a single entity is limited to 500.
That sounds dodgy. What about the Oxbridge-Fortune-Dow-Harvard fiscal perfunctory analysis index result fluctuation wave from 1982-1996? Don’t you remember the lessons learnt from that debacle?
No. Speak English, please. I’m not very good at this stuff – I’m neither an economist nor a statistician. I can only tell you that this is an opportunity to make some ISK. If you are dissatisfied with what is being offered here or you disagree with the business model you do not have to invest.
Thank you.
With sincerest regards,
Nosebreaker
CEO
Tradewind Industries
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 13:10:00 - [ 3]
I'll ask the obligatory.
Why should we trust you? |
Nosebreaker
Tradewind Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 13:14:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
I'll ask the obligatory.
Why should we trust you?
The philosophical answer: Why not? The factual: Such questions are unanswerable. Because I and my partners have a reasonable amount of ISK and want to make more with people's help (rewarding them justly in the process)? |
Azimuth
Camarillon Group
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Posted - 2007.02.09 13:27:00 - [ 5]
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2007.02.09 13:58:00 - [ 6]
Okay, so you have production facilities. I can chew on that for a bit, in the form of SCREENSHOTS!
I'll need a screenshot of the assembly array (have it under "selected item"). If you currently have a ship in production, of the S&I "jobs" tab showing a mommy under construction. If your BPO is being researched or copied, I'll want a screenshot of that, too. Not in production, not in research? A screenshot of the attributes tab and one of the material requirements tab, scrolled to the bottom, please. Feel free to censor liberally--we're not looking to open you up to attack, after all. The screenshots DO, however, need to be in high quality (press ESC, there's a box there you need to check).
Are you producing directly off of the BPO, or using BPC's? This affects the pace at which you can pump out motherships.
What method are you using to move the BPO? In particular, what's your high-sec -> low-sec transversal strategy?
Why 120,000 per share, instead of a "rounder" number?
Motherships cost approximately 15,000,000,000 to build, give or take the odd billion. You are offering 30% of your company's stock for 5.4b, which amounts to 33% of the BPO cost (ergo, our money is underperforming, since we only get 30% of the company stock), or 17.3% of the BPO+build cost, which is what you claim to have on hand as soon as this share issue is complete. Either way, one of us seems to be getting the short end of the shares, so to speak. What's going on?
Can you identify a past mothership auction or sale where your producer(s) provided the ship(s), and have the mommy-selling alt post here for confirmation?
Is it your intention (or, perhaps I misread it, is it your current business model) to finance, broker, or speculate on tier-1 capital ship production, as well? What does, "Tradewind Industries also deals in the buying & selling of commercial goods," mean?
What about the Harvard-Oxbridge-Fortune-Dow perfunctory fiscal analysis index result fluctuation wave from 1983-1997? What lessons learned from that debacle are applicable to your corporation and this share issue?
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Nosebreaker
Tradewind Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 14:44:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Nosebreaker on 09/02/2007 14:45:48Edited by: Nosebreaker on 09/02/2007 14:41:15Okay, so you have production facilities. I can chew on that for a bit, in the form of SCREENSHOTS!Straight to the point. I like that! I'll need a screenshot of the assembly array (have it under "selected item").I'm in the Forge. I will contact the person who will be producing the "mommies" and ask for a screenshot with the requested scene shown. If you currently have a ship in production, of the S&I "jobs" tab showing a mommy under construction.Tradewind Industries does not in fact produce any capital ships itself. We trade, supply and act as intermediary during capital transactions. If your BPO is being researched or copied, I'll want a screenshot of that, too.That cannot be provided until the Wyvern BPO is obtained and research is underway. Not in production, not in research? A screenshot of the attributes tab and one of the material requirements tab, scrolled to the bottom, please. Feel free to censor liberally--we're not looking to open you up to attack, after all. The screenshots DO, however, need to be in high quality (press ESC, there's a box there you need to check). As above. Are you producing directly off of the BPO, or using BPC's? This affects the pace at which you can pump out motherships.Initially, they will be produced off of the BPO. However, after the fourth - fifth production run consideration into making copies from it for both sale and use will occur. What method are you using to move the BPO? In particular, what's your high-sec -> low-sec transversal strategy?Via the use of a large fleet of shuttles. Or possibly teleportation. Maybe Fed-Ex. Why 120,000 per share, instead of a "rounder" number?One of the other CEOs has a phobia of numbers other than 120,000. Motherships cost approximately 15,000,000,000 to build, give or take the odd billion. You are offering 30% of your company's stock for 5.4b, which amounts to 33% of the BPO cost (ergo, our money is underperforming, since we only get 30% of the company stock), or 17.3% of the BPO+build cost, which is what you claim to have on hand as soon as this share issue is complete. Either way, one of us seems to be getting the short end of the shares, so to speak. What's going on?Why, that is quite an oversight on our behalf. My apologies and my thanks for pointing it out. I will rectify it by changing the offer to 47,000 shares at 115,000 per share. Edit-The amount of shares now available to purchase is 5.405Bn. Can you identify a past mothership auction or sale where your producer(s) provided the ship(s), and have the mommy-selling alt post here for confirmation?I can ask, but there are no guarantees that this will occur. As I have stated, the agent locator now makes identifying yourself in situations such as these pose a far more serious risk. Is it your intention (or, perhaps I misread it, is it your current business model) to finance, broker, or speculate on tier-1 capital ship production, as well? What does, "Tradewind Industries also deals in the buying & selling of commercial goods," mean?Part financing, part brokering. Bread and butter. "Tradewind Industries also deals in the buying & selling of commercial goods"... is just another way of stating that we buy and sell trade goods on the market. Very profitable, in some cases. What about the Harvard-Oxbridge-Fortune-Dow perfunctory fiscal analysis index result fluctuation wave from 1983-1997? What lessons learned from that debacle are applicable to your corporation and this share issue? Doesn't hurt to laugh. Edit-Added a plural where there was none. |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:52:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Nosebreaker
If you currently have a ship in production, of the S&I "jobs" tab showing a mommy under construction.
Tradewind Industries does not in fact produce any capital ships itself. We trade, supply and act as intermediary during capital transactions.
If your BPO is being researched or copied, I'll want a screenshot of that, too.
That cannot be provided until the Wyvern BPO is obtained and research is underway.
From your original proposal: "...procurement of a second Mothership BPO..." (my emphasis) I just want some proof that you have the first. Originally by: Nosebreaker
What method are you using to move the BPO? In particular, what's your high-sec -> low-sec transversal strategy?
Via the use of a large fleet of shuttles. Or possibly teleportation. Maybe Fed-Ex.
Neither teleportation nor Fed-Ex are currently implemented in-game. Shuttles can be smartbombed to death on gates (lost a (unresearched!) rig BPO that way a few days back). The correct answers here are "empty system, alt scout", or "nanostabbavaga, alt scout". The correct answers for Empire, the low-sec -> 0.0 transition, and 0.0 travel shouldn't be hard to figure out. Originally by: Nosebreaker
Why 120,000 per share, instead of a "rounder" number?
One of the other CEOs has a phobia of numbers other than 120,000.
You've mistaken my willingness to inject humor into the conversation for a lack of interest in the questions I'm asking. Please rectify this. Originally by: Nosebreaker
Motherships cost approximately 15,000,000,000 to build, give or take the odd billion. You are offering 30% of your company's stock for 5.4b, which amounts to 33% of the BPO cost (ergo, our money is underperforming, since we only get 30% of the company stock), or 17.3% of the BPO+build cost, which is what you claim to have on hand as soon as this share issue is complete. Either way, one of us seems to be getting the short end of the shares, so to speak. What's going on?
Why, that is quite an oversight on our behalf. My apologies and my thanks for pointing it out. I will rectify it by changing the offer to 47,000 shares at 115,000 per share.
Edit-The amount of shares now available to purchase is 5.405Bn.
So, we as the investors get the benefit of 15b in build capital for free? How generous. Originally by: Nosebreaker
Can you identify a past mothership auction or sale where your producer(s) provided the ship(s), and have the mommy-selling alt post here for confirmation?
I can ask, but there are no guarantees that this will occur. As I have stated, the agent locator now makes identifying yourself in situations such as these pose a far more serious risk.
Nobody in their right mind uses anything other than a purpose-built alt for hawking a mothership on the forums. Unless agent locators now find alts, too, or there's some other mechanic I don't understand, this poses no risk to you. Originally by: Nosebreaker
Is it your intention (or, perhaps I misread it, is it your current business model) to finance, broker, or speculate on tier-1 capital ship production, as well? What does, "Tradewind Industries also deals in the buying & selling of commercial goods," mean?
Part financing, part brokering. Bread and butter.
Is this speculation considered part of the P&L statement as it concerns dividends? I.e., if you finance a deal and the buyer walks off, do dividends take a hit? Conversely, are we also buying into any profits this "division" of your operations may have? Originally by: Nosebreaker
"Tradewind Industries also deals in the buying & selling of commercial goods"... is just another way of stating that we buy and sell trade goods on the market. Very profitable, in some cases.
As above. MP |
Proton Power
Amarr
Luck Yourself Into Isk |
Posted - 2007.02.09 16:19:00 - [ 9]
Going to help here some.
Instead of tearing this guys idea / ipo / what ever down, ask for proof, dont demand it or derail the thread.
I personally quit reading it after about the 3rd post. |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2007.02.09 16:27:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Proton Power
Going to help here some.
Instead of tearing this guys idea / ipo / what ever down, ask for proof, dont demand it or derail the thread.
I personally quit reading it after about the 3rd post.
My intention is not to be an ass. Sorry if it's coming across that way. The guy's asking for a bit over 5 billion, and backs this up by stating he's already in the business of producing these items. I'm asking for proof. Simultaneously, and separately, I'm questioning his business model, as it seems he is giving investors a disproportionately-large stake in his company relative to their investment. Regardless of which way that resolution ends up swinging, it results in someone getting shortchanged relative to how the cashflow is currently being presented. Nonetheless, if I am being an ******* about it, rather than a stern guiding hand for a new business trying to get started, please let me know how I can rectify both that impression and my self-representation. MP |
Nosebreaker
Tradewind Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 16:33:00 - [ 11]
Remember folks, this is your chance.
MP: Thank you for the questions. This is proving to be an interesting conversation but I would appreciate it if we carried this discussion into the game as it is cluttering up my page.
From your original proposal: "...procurement of a second Mothership BPO..." (my emphasis)
I just want some proof that you have the first.
Ah, misinterpretation on my behalf. I apologise. Tradewind Industries does not own any BPOs. The "first" Mothership BPO is owned by one of the initial investors who is also a participant in Tradewind's brokering scheme. I can request a screenshot.
Neither teleportation nor Fed-Ex are currently implemented in-game. Shuttles can be smartbombed to death on gates (lost a (unresearched!) rig BPO that way a few days back). The correct answers here are "empty system, alt scout", or "nanostabbavaga, alt scout". The correct answers for Empire, the low-sec -> 0.0 transition, and 0.0 travel shouldn't be hard to figure out.
Neither of your corrections are correct. The correct answer is: "Whatever gets it there safe & sound." The method used of course will be decided upon when the time approaches. Considering the stake, investing in a professional mercenary fleet is one possibility we have investigated.
You've mistaken my willingness to inject humor into the conversation for a lack of interest in the questions I'm asking. Please rectify this.
120,000 happened to be the magic number. This has since changed. The figures might now be a bit wonky until I have a chance to correct them, however the end result is still practically the same: 5.405bn, 33% of the BPO price, for 33% (47,000) of Tradewind Industries' shares. Equitable, no?
So, we as the investors get the benefit of 15b in build capital for free? How generous.
How condescending of you. I'm beginning to imagine that you're almost being too rude for me to want to accept your investment if you have such an intention. I misunderstood you. Allow me to clarify. The ISK raised from this investment will cover 33% of the Wyvern BPO purchase cost. The remainder of the BPO purchase cost will be provided for by Tradewind Industries and its partners in the investment of the BPO. Once this is done, at a time deemed appropriate during the research or first production from the BPO, the required capital components will be constructed at the expense of Tradewind Industries with backing from investment partners and production and industrial partners, who will recoup their expenses during the initial and subsequent production runs at an increasing rate.
Nobody in their right mind uses anything other than a purpose-built alt for hawking a mothership on the forums. Unless agent locators now find alts, too, or there's some other mechanic I don't understand, this poses no risk to you.
They have not sold any of their ships on the forums. Why bother? It is easy to sell in-game.
Is this speculation considered part of the P&L statement as it concerns dividends? I.e., if you finance a deal and the buyer walks off, do dividends take a hit? Conversely, are we also buying into any profits this "division" of your operations may have?
In response to your first question, no. Tradewind Industries does not offer financial services to buyers, only to producers and suppliers. In response to your second question, no.
As above.
Dividends would not be affected by either. |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:03:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Nosebreaker
MP: Thank you for the questions. This is proving to be an interesting conversation but I would appreciate it if we carried this discussion into the game as it is cluttering up my page.
I am available in-game at your convenience, with the caveat that any discussion that we have is strictly and completely "on-the-record". MP |
Angelina Starchild |
Posted - 2007.02.09 19:11:00 - [ 13]
It's quite interesting to see some peoples attitudes, assuming everything is a scam.
I would think that it's such a hell to try to scam nowadays with all these people cluttering up ones board, so if I were a scammer, I wouldn't go through all that work, so I'd almost guess that those who actually post here trying to create an ipo are the serious ones.
However, as to Nosebreaker, I'd advice you to try finding private investors and do it that way. Those who know you and trust you doesn't have to be convinced.
Atleast that's my two iskies.
Have a great weekend. |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:01:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Angelina Starchild
so if I were a scammer
If you were? You are a scammer, you scammed Prigogine technologies, remember?  |
Level4
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium |
Posted - 2007.03.14 13:45:00 - [ 15]
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Tirg
ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department |
Posted - 2007.03.14 15:10:00 - [ 16]
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