Posted - 2007.07.03 21:16:00 - [3]

 

Originally by: Shiela

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Sounds cool, this is what I thought Eve was when I heard about it... I wasnt expecting point and click combat, but have adjusted.

While I do enjoy targetting mulitple ships and firing turrets off of a Battleship using a mouse... I think manning a fighter craft and laying fire down using a joystick and actual piloting skills would be a breath of fresh air.

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If EVE where to be another Joystick game, I doubt I would stay around for long. I like the strategic planning behind the ship controls. And I hate anything that would breach that. Besides, there are enough FPS games out there as it is. EVE controls are FINE as they are!

Posted - 2007.07.03 21:18:00 - [5]

 

Maybe a hybrid of the two, have break-neck joystick matches between frigates/interceptors/Assault Ships in Alliance fleet battles, and still have the autopilot for travel and mining, etc.

Posted - 2007.07.03 21:30:00 - [7]

 

Even though this topic has gone round and round, I will post here with my

/signed

I want to see this ingame as well.
I hope this becomes a mega-thread...
The only way it will become a mega-thread is if we can discuss it back and forth with a dev from CCP.

Paging devs to the forums

Posted - 2007.07.03 21:58:00 - [9]

 

Edited by: Aewaytor on 03/07/2007 21:58:17
Edited by: Aewaytor on 03/07/2007 21:57:35

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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If EVE where to be another Joystick game, I doubt I would stay around for long. I like the strategic planning behind the ship controls. And I hate anything that would breach that. Besides, there are enough FPS games out there as it is. EVE controls are FINE as they are!

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If you love the tactical grace of battling with Eve's larger ships, think of the tricks you could pull with Teamspeak controlled drones

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:00:00 - [11]

 

Problem is whether the pilot actually fires the guns, or whether the guns fire themselves (like now) and all the pilot does is try to dodge missles and navigate around the battlefield.

Either way, the way in which CCP have made ships pod pilotted enables this sort of thing to be implemented without changing any background information.

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:15:00 - [13]

 

NONONONONONONONONO!!!!

I hate this idea more than any whiner.

I don't want to hear (see in local) "HAHAHA, U IZ TEH NUBES, I FRAGGED U LULZ!!!one"

Fps game are aplenty, Eve is not an FPS game, (unless you count the framerate in a fleet operation).

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:17:00 - [15]

 

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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If EVE were to be another Joystick game, I doubt I would stay around for long. I like the strategic planning behind the ship controls. And I hate anything that would breach that. Besides, there are enough FPS games out there as it is. EVE controls are FINE as they are!

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The big ships can remain the same as they are, just a new class of ship will become human piloted by joystick.

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:21:00 - [17]

 

I would love to see some more tactical control over small ships such as with a joystick.

Rahter then AI carrier fighters you could man one yourself.
Guns would have to be fixed forward only so you would have to literally aim your ship at another to make it work.

They would do the same damage probably as drones but be able to target mods and heat them up (preferably on an individual basis) so you can individually take out specific mods to either leave your prey defensless w/o weapons or dead in space and adrift cause you had the skills to take out their power mods. (they can take things offline to get power back or to warp out and escape or just self distruct)

/signed.. I want to fly a fighter

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:28:00 - [19]

 

Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/07/2007 22:25:41
It seems my ministrations have fallen on deaf ears.

Too many newer guys coming from other twitch games. The vets are being slowly taken over by twitch petitionists.

I hate it.

EDIT; P.s. What the hell happened to having to use your damn loaf to fight rather than have somebody with lightning reflexes win? Tactical > > > > Twitch.

Omg, just realized, imagine Eve Devs having to make some kind of anti-bot program to stop all the damn "Flight-bot 200564", "You will never get hit again". **** off.

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Talk about arogant. Anyway how else would people navigate inside asteroids and on planets hmmm.

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:32:00 - [21]

 

Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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It seems my ministrations have fallen on deaf ears.

Too many newer guys coming from other twitch games. The vets are being slowly taken over by twitch petitionists.

I hate it.

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*punches in face*

Honestly THINK FOR A SECOND

At best you have Voyage century like ship combat except in 3 dimensions where you at times never even physically see the ships involved! There is no such thing as evasive manuvers you stand there and get hit or you move too fast to even be touched. There is quite frankly NOTHING IN BETWEEN. You cant juke at the last second to avoid a rail gun shot you cant jive at the last second to force a missle to miss there is no gray area and it annoys the hell out of people!

Myself included and trust me i LOVE the RTS perspective these battles tend to give. But i honestly got that out of a mechwarrior game too albeit at a far higher speed. And hell i am not even recommending it on anything above a damned FRIGATE! You can not change course properly during combat in this game without taking serious risks or constant clicking and risking a misclick. You are stuck on a damned ramjet and i KNOW that isnt how the smaller craft are supposed to operate. I frigates flying circles around my larger ships in ratting but also they constantly seem to be able to change their orbits. Now how the heck is that? If not by direct manipulation then by what? Are their computers so powerful their manuvering thrusters so precise that its capable of this?

Let the ships that were designed to outmanuver BE ABLE TO DO IT!

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:39:00 - [23]

 

Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/07/2007 22:25:41
It seems my ministrations have fallen on deaf ears.

Too many newer guys coming from other twitch games. The vets are being slowly taken over by twitch petitionists.

I hate it.

EDIT; P.s. What the hell happened to having to use your damn loaf to fight rather than have somebody with lightning reflexes win? Tactical > > > > Twitch.

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I would guess the devs would balance and playtest it first. If it didn't work, they wouldn't put it in.

If this would encourage more people to join and pay to play the game, then good. I don't see the problem with that.

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:43:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: Aewaytor

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Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/07/2007 22:25:41
It seems my ministrations have fallen on deaf ears.

Too many newer guys coming from other twitch games. The vets are being slowly taken over by twitch petitionists.

I hate it.

EDIT; P.s. What the hell happened to having to use your damn loaf to fight rather than have somebody with lightning reflexes win? Tactical > > > > Twitch.

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I would guess the devs would balance and playtest it first. If it didn't work, they wouldn't put it in.

If this would encourage more people to join and pay to play the game, then good. I don't see the problem with that.

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Don't tell me you want yet more lag added to the game and whiners.

Christ imagine the damn petition queues. Months of work if not years. "WAAH WAHH, he popped my frigate but teh lagz killed it, he shouldn't have hit me"

Bleugh I feel sick just from thinking about it.

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:46:00 - [27]

 

Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/07/2007 22:47:38
Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/07/2007 22:46:14

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/07/2007 22:25:41
It seems my ministrations have fallen on deaf ears.

Too many newer guys coming from other twitch games. The vets are being slowly taken over by twitch petitionists.

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New players, fresh (or not so) ideas.. Dev's and the game have to adapt.

This makes it sound more like you are whining cause you dont want to adapt to the possibility of someones reflexes being better then your right clicking their name.. pressing some buttons and waiting.

Cause honestly.. if you are in a frigate in a BS fight.. you pretty much lock on and orbit and press fire.. then sit there waiting for someone to blow you up. There is no adrenaline rush from outmaneuvering an opponent or feeling of satisfaction for knowing you were able to weave in and out of enemy formations while hitting a few choice targets( currently its dbl click in that direction.. shoot.. then quick quick dbl click in the other direction to get away.)

We have plenty of capital ships and super capitals.. time to give small fighters a chance.

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This very subject was discussed a long time ago and CCP (IIRC) poo pood the idea themselves.

They said "Eve is not designed to be a twitch game, and never will be".

I cannot find the original now damn.

Edit 1; Besides this is a game for the thinking man, not the leet kiddie that has XXXXXXX bots or tanked up on redbull coffee and cola.

Edit 2; Besides where was I whining?

Posted - 2007.07.03 22:48:00 - [29]

 

Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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This very subject was discussed a long time ago and CCP (IIRC) poo pood the idea themselves.

They said "Eve is not designed to be a twitch game, and never will be".

I cannot find the original now damn.

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They appear to have changed their minds and adapted to the masses in order to cash in on that portion of the market.. Umm how dare they try to get more money by enticing new players with a new form of flight model. The nerve..

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The MMO Gamer: What is the future of EVE? Will you keep expanding the game into other regions or are there other ways for you to broaden the game and its reach?

Nathan Richardsson: We have a number of ways to expand EVE, first and foremost is ”inwards“, which is our current strategy. There are so many locations within EVE which you can‘t interact fully with yet and that‘s where we‘re heading first. We‘re now building environments inside space stations with corporate offices and headquarters, going into the ships with a Captain’s Quarter, player starbases where they could control its defenses and other corporate infrastructure.

Further out, we‘re seeing planets playing a pivotal role in the future of EVE. The industrial, exploratory and warfare opportunities there, which tie heavily into the economic fabric of EV,E are immense. It‘s all player controlled; that‘s the beauty of it. We’re creating tools and a landscape with resources and it‘s up to the pilots to utilize that to their advantage and build an empire.

Working with celestial environments is also an area for expansion. Populating immense asteroids with an industrial or pirate outpost, joystick-based combat inside asteroid dungeons, hostile environments to build up an industrial base to exploit it‘s resources — anything you can imagine inside space is an opportunity for expansion.

We also have space itself to work with through outwards expansion. Space is endless and we still don‘t know what‘s out there, what‘s on the other side of the EVE gate nor what happened to Earth and it‘s civilization. We don‘t know what the Jovian race have been up to, closed off in their own section of space. Its outer boundaries unknown to us.