Posted - 2007.07.16 20:49:00 - [32]

 

I've heard this a few times now, though this has a few problems, including "where can a newb speak"?

As far as I understand, the unremovable channels due to game engine are corp and local. And for newbies, the rookie chat might be good, as well. Those who RP might also like the own race's chat.

Now, it's also good to note that due to the New Gamer Experience part, including the increased SP on start, a crafty newb can get the skills to fly a cruiser in a matter of hours (with the Special Forces starting option). Getting the money will take a few days, if he is smart and gets some advice. Actually, getting the money will take a few minutes, if he's a good beggar, but that is a case on itself. So, unlike before, our trials can actually get adequate gear fast, so "the newbs don't have anything of worth, anyway" is not a really good reason not to allow access on other channels.

Filtering would be one of the possible options, but just like the real world spammers learn to get around our e-mail spam filters, so would likely do the macroers, though it'd be at least a try.

The real can of worms would be opened by having moderation on the channels by the players. Perhaps some kind of a "mute and report" option to silence the younger-than-14d-account offender could be available for characters older than 14d, with repercussions for misuse (such as hitting your account with a banstick for a few days). This feature would automatically file a petition, or flag the offending account some way to avoid multiple petitions from the same account. And since it'd work only on young accounts, there would be little threat of misuse, specially if the repercussions of whim mutes would be serious enough. (Losing precious game time on your paid account.)

One more possible feature would be to kick all over 14d characters to their respective bloodline specific NPC corps, leaving the spammers with considerably less marketing coverage, but this is not a good option, since it would also remove the handful of older players willing to dispend advice on younger players. This in turn could be covered by a "volunteer your PC to be a SWA/IAC/etc. instructor" program, but in the end it would mean much coding work for relatively little gain. (Though again, this could also be used to have the "instructor" character have limited mod rights on the corp channel, with the previously mentioned repercussions upon misuse of said rights.)

Posted - 2007.07.17 13:29:00 - [34]

 

Originally by: Elora Narst

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Originally by: Miss Greed

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2. That example of yours is how likely to occur within the first 14 days of playing?
a PC could be aquired using the PC forums (which they will be told to go to after asking in the rookie chat) Yes if you're interested in becoming one, you're interested in the game aswell, why not start paying then?

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You would be surprised.
Since my profession is... Err... Social interaction, I am always on the lookout for non-resellers selling and buying stuff. I have seen plenty of people on trial accounts trying to sell small to medium valued faction items.
Furthermore, being n00bs, they know of the channels, but would not know how to use the forum properly.

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Seconded. I think I was about two weeks old when I made 50 mil from talking on the trade - ships channel.

Posted - 2007.07.17 14:27:00 - [36]

 

Edited by: RigelKentaurus on 17/07/2007 14:27:15

Originally by: Lance Robinson

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I "heard" one of them speak once. He said sorry .

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I've even seen one of them correct his mistakes after we told him what was wrong in his previous message.


An URL filter could work well against those guys, but don't forget they use modified clients, so the servers would have to handle it. And since such filters would check every message, the lag would obviously increase.

Posted - 2007.07.17 15:43:00 - [38]

 

Originally by: Elora Narst

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I think that ISK buying should be perma-bannable for a first offense. You buy ISK just once - and you risk everything you have, including your real money subscription fees.

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This.


Also in order to give a fair chance to the few potential ISK buyers, who would actually think that buying ISK for cash is fine, a simple fix is all it takes:

Have a warning pop up every time you get an ISK donation by someone else, with a message like this: "You are receiving a donation of xxxx million ISK from the character AverageJoe. Be advised that buying ISK for real cash is a bannable offense, so if you bought the ISK being sent to you, you should decline the donation and report AverageJoe to a GM. Do you wish to accept the donation? [Yes][No]".

Add an option to disable this message after the first 3 or 5 donations for example. This way, everyone can stop this pop up if he wants, but then he would have no excuse if he actually does buy ISK at some point.

Posted - 2007.07.20 14:29:00 - [40]

 

/signed for OP.. it's begining to get daft in trade channels now.. although CCP wants to target isk buyers.. there is an overwhelming player base now, that want the channels used for trade, and not a selling tool for the isk spammers

Posted - 2007.07.20 17:49:00 - [42]

 

They have restrictions were you can't train certain skills on trial accounts and can't give isk away on trial accounts so why not on chat channels?

My suggestions:

1. Trial accounts have read only access to all chat channels.
2. Trial accounts have write access to only noobie help.
3. Trial accounts can't send eve-mail to somebody that they aren't white listed by.
4. If need be, a chat channel solely for trial accounts called "Trials", duh, where anything goes because it don't belong in rookie help. Heh. ISK sellers spamming to each other in Trials channel.
5. The big one: In conjunction to #4, trial accounts can't speak on chat channels until a channel moderator clears them for communications.

Posted - 2007.11.26 10:14:00 - [44]

 

You're all way overthinking it...

all we need is to add another option:

(checkbox) Ignore trial accounts

auto ignores trial accounts in chat
auto reject mails and convos from trial accounts

Those who want to hear trial accounts can keep it off, those who don't...

Posted - 2007.11.26 11:03:00 - [46]

 

Darwinia -> us
Great idea.

Posted - 2007.11.26 11:55:00 - [48]

 

I think that the muting of trial accounts has to be finely tuned.

For instance a trial account can join any channels just like "normal" accounts and can read them, but cannot reply in the channels until they are on subscription.

However the trial accounts are free to start private conversations with anyone in any channels.

That way, you are not really driving newer players away and losing revinue, but you are also actively combatting their ADD spams.

As it is right now, they would have to resort to convoing all they wanted to reach with their adds, either manually (takes ages) or via a bot (should be disabled).

This would result in abit harder new players experience, but nothing out of the bearable as they woul still have full access to rookie help, just have a GM monitor and ban anyon spamming in it.

The steps are simple and very lenient and highly effective.

Get to Coding this CCP.

Posted - 2007.11.26 14:56:00 - [50]

 

Originally by: Miss Greed

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Edited by: Miss Greed on 26/11/2007 14:36:08
Edited by: Miss Greed on 16/07/2007 05:40:28
You couldnt possibly have missed the desperate spamming of ISK-sellers in all the trade channels lately - They are getting desperate - Good thing.

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Its the ISK sellers last desperate cry before they go forever silent.. Let us just enjoy it and let them die in solitude .

I havn't been on any of the trade channels in ages. Pretty much stayed out of all public channels, so have no first hand experience, but it pleases me that they are getting desperate, and I hope my above statement will come true. Then we can start removing all the restrictions to the trail accounts.

Posted - 2007.11.26 21:26:00 - [52]

 

Did you check the quote in my original thread? , I think it could work.

Posted - 2007.11.26 21:32:00 - [54]

 

/signed op idea and associated quote

believe

Posted - 2007.11.27 15:07:00 - [56]

 

Signed

Posted - 2007.11.27 16:09:00 - [58]

 

I think the problem is channels themselves. EVE should only need local (which doesn't show names of people in local), corp and the help channels.

People spam crap 24/7 in the trade channels and spam the same crap in all channels, I almost hate the morons spamming modules in the blueprint channel as much as ISK spammers.

The one good thing about channels is you can haggle price, contracts are a bit inflexible. Something that would be cool is to have advertisement contracts where you can advertise an item for sale, it differs from a normal contract in that there is no price specified, just link the item and have a comment box for info, and people can contact someone advertising something they are interested in and they can haggle.

Perhaps even expand the number of available contracts or be more generous with the base number of contracts so people do not need to sell goods via channels as much due to contract limitations.

Upgrade the contract browsing UI so it is a bit more user friendly, make it look like the marketplace UI but just list contracted and/or advertised items.

I usually turn all the trade channels off and don't have any issues with spam, be it ISK or otherwise, I just turn them on when I am after something and I am browsing the current prices for things. It would be better for EVE to get rid of the spam havens because they are festering cesspools for spammers.

Posted - 2007.11.30 13:43:00 - [60]

 

/signed.