Posted - 2008.04.28 22:53:00 - [2]

 

Edited by: Arithron on 28/04/2008 22:53:30
My view on cloakers is that they are fine for use in 0.0 sec space. The player using the cloaker, afterall, can't rat or mine etc when its being used. They are designed for covert ops, so I guess you'd have to class ratting in 0.0 as such (PvE as opposed to PvP). Afterall, 0.0 space isn't just for PvP. Gatecamps, warp bubbles and the like give you good and valid methods for thwarting these sort of ops. At least the person doing these type of things has thought about what dangers lie ahead and taken IC steps to prevent ship loss!

As for logging off in 0.0 space; are you saying that only ratters and a small percentage of explorers/miners do this, or would you agree that it happens in battles also? Personally, I don't think its honourable at all...

As for WCS (assuming you are referring to warp core stabs), see post regarding cloakers. I would apply same ideas, since also a valid IC thing to do.

Logging off is a hard issue to address! We all have to do it sometime...

Take care,
Bruce Hansen

Posted - 2008.04.29 05:17:00 - [4]

 

Edited by: Traeon on 29/04/2008 05:18:10
And how would you suggest changing cloaking mechanics?

Posted - 2008.04.29 05:25:00 - [6]

 

Originally by: Traeon

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Edited by: Traeon on 29/04/2008 05:18:10
And how would you suggest changing cloaking mechanics?

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Who are you asking that question to? Because i just answered it

Posted - 2008.04.29 17:47:00 - [8]

 

My personal perception:

I don't have any problem with cloaking (and it's mechanics). It's a possible and legal way of gaming (so do I).

Logoff tactics is a anathema to me. According to my opinion (in this case the soldier come through) it's recreancy before the enemy (I hope it don't sound so hard). None the less this "logoff" is a security kit in case of loosing connection, computer crashed or sth like this. Currently I see no feasible solution in that case.

Posted - 2008.05.05 04:59:00 - [10]

 

As a part-time roaming PvPer myself, I've also been faced with cloak/logoff tactics on several occasions, and I have to say it annoys the hell out of me too. Such tactics make PvP too consentual, especially in the 0.0 environment which is otherwise designed to be the least safe of all.

To combat this I'd firstly like to see Proto Cloaking ships made probeable, and secondly the introduction of an NPC aggression timer, the length of which could be up for further debate.

And for 0.0 NPCers who might be concerned that this is too harsh, remember you still have other methods of escape, such as parking at a POS, docking at a station, or leaving the system via gate or jump bridge. They just require a little more effort, is all.

/Ben

Posted - 2008.05.05 12:10:00 - [12]

 

Cloaking safespotting logging NPCers annoy me big time. Especially if this process is fully automatized, which I have already witnessed myself.
I think something needs to be done about it. I would either make non-covops cloaks scannable (which should be difficult but doable, maybe only possible if you own the space by having sov) or I would make them fail time to time so that the guy can't just leave it afking there.

As for comparing 0.0 NPCing in possibly hostile territory vs low sec agent running, you are right, 0.0 is safer. But this is primarily so because low sec is completely wrong the way it is now. So actually, I think this problem should be approached from the low sec side primarily.