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Topic |
Gaia Thorn
Everyday Discipline
Bondage Patrol |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:07:00 - [ 1]
So its finally happend the carebears have taken over eve. Dev Blog |
Eran Laude
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:12:00 - [ 2]
I'm a carebear with claws but I'm not too sure how I feel about this blog. On the one hand, the inner mission runner and [shame]miner[/shame] says yes, but the latent and growing PvP part of my soul feels a disturbance in the force, as if a million pirates cried out at once . . . and were silenced . . .
At the very least the Goons should be given an exception so they can continue to fight their Jihads. |
MaDeX
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:14:00 - [ 3]
Oh boy, this is it, from minnie nerf to this - wave goodbye to eve people. |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:14:00 - [ 4]
It hasn't made the carebears safe, just safer.
Now all they need to do, is limit the freedom in starter corporations and it's a great change. |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:15:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: MaDeX
Oh boy, this is it, from minnie nerf to this - wave goodbye to eve people.
I've heard that with every change that is made.. EvE is still here  |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:17:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
So its finally happend the carebears have taken over eve.
Having a bit of a whinge? |
Gaia Thorn
Everyday Discipline
Bondage Patrol |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:24:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
It hasn't made the carebears safe, just safer.
Now all they need to do, is limit the freedom in starter corporations and it's a great change.
Well why would you need to be safer ? Why is it always the pvp'ers way of life getting nerfed whilst the carebears roam around free with no need for adaptation ? Why do the idiots need protection from the smarter in a game that is suppose to be a unforgiving harsh enviroment ? |
Gaia Thorn
Everyday Discipline
Bondage Patrol |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:25:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
So its finally happend the carebears have taken over eve.
Having a bit of a whinge?
Yes i am since this game is becoming less and less of pvp'ing and more and more of blobbing which its obvius this server cant handle . |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:25:00 - [ 9]
1) Faster concord repsonse = who cares. Won't change ganking industrials or T1 ships with tons of loot.
2) Sec status penalty increase = should be balanced. It is pretty damn easy to get -10 or go below -2.0. Tons of T1 fit caracals and stuff that don't hurt the enemy but only kill your sec status
3) Sec status based on Player vs Player sec status = who cares. Nice little change imo
4) Future removal of insurance from suicide ganks = WTF NO. HELL NO. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Reckoning. |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:26:00 - [ 10]
Quote:
We also changed the functionality and reduced the spawn. CONCORD now spawns in groups of 3 ships: 2 frigate sized vessels, which will lock the aggressor down in place, and a heavy hitting battleship to reduce his or her ship to metal scraps. The frigates will lock almost instantly while the battleship takes longer to lock, and the aggressor is made more aware of his or her impending doom.
While they may have made them arrive faster, it seems like they've also made it so that you can survive CONCORD a bit longer. Anyone else think it looks like this? |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:27:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
So its finally happend the carebears have taken over eve.
Having a bit of a whinge?
Yes i am since this game is becoming less and less of pvp'ing and more and more of blobbing which its obvius this server cant handle .
lol wut But seriously, if you're going to sit on your ass, refusing to find loopholes in the system like any respectable griefer will, then I have no sympathy. |
Leinad tir |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:28:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
So its finally happend the carebears have taken over eve.
Dev Blog
I dont have been living in high sec never but u must admit that suicide gank is a stupid idea(that gives profits ofc) and goes against the playability of the game, im ok with the carebears carebearing in high sec, let them there playing their own hello kitty online or declare war to some of them, suicide gank is moronic. |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:30:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
It hasn't made the carebears safe, just safer.
Now all they need to do, is limit the freedom in starter corporations and it's a great change.
Well why would you need to be safer ?
Why is it always the pvp'ers way of life getting nerfed whilst the carebears roam around free with no need for adaptation ?
Why do the idiots need protection from the smarter in a game that is suppose to be a unforgiving harsh enviroment ?
Maybe the devs decided they no longer wanted a game universe which is a step backwards from the 21st century, with a society where crimes like murder are effectively unpunished. |
Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:32:00 - [ 14]
Crikey! CCP don't half make some controversial statements.
I wonder if we'll see a C&P whine similar to the nano one that's been plaguing general discussion recently. |
Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:34:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
4) Future removal of insurance from suicide ganks = WTF NO. HELL NO.
Why? Why does it make sense that you should get an insurance payout? |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Reckoning. |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:34:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 06/08/2008 06:35:09
Real life comparisons are ****ing stupid
In EVE, CONCORD only polices Capsuleers. Capsuleers don't die when their ship gets blown up. It's actually robbery/vandalism, at worst.
Regardless, I think the changes might be a little harsh, although I don't see a -huge- issue with them. The comedy autopiloting T1 industrials with hundreds of millions in loot will still be a delicious treat for any ganker. Think it just makes gankers pick their targets a bit more.
Really the only problem is that now it's much, MUCH harder to gank missionships, removing the only real risk of hisec missions. Which is a problem that could be solved better with a mission nerf rather than suicide gankers. |
Gaia Thorn
Everyday Discipline
Bondage Patrol |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:34:00 - [ 17]
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:35:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Leinad tir
suicide gank is moronic.
Filling your untanked t1 indy with hundreds of millions or even billions in cargo is moronic. Having someone scan out your fittings and cargo then blow you up to take them for themselves is an intended game mechanic thats fun and profitable.  |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Reckoning. |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:36:00 - [ 19]
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:36:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Then maybe they shouldnt make quotes saying that this isnt a fluffy happy happy land. Which it is rapidly becoming.
Feel free to rage-quit over it. |
Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:42:00 - [ 21]
Wow... Just wow. I don't take part in suicide ganking, and even I think this is a step backwards for EVE. The Nano nerf was needed, but honestly? This is really starting to worry me. |
Gaia Thorn
Everyday Discipline
Bondage Patrol |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:42:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Then maybe they shouldnt make quotes saying that this isnt a fluffy happy happy land. Which it is rapidly becoming.
Feel free to rage-quit over it.
Rage is overated. Leaving the game is quite possible actually. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:42:00 - [ 23]
This wouldn't be so bad if they also reformed the wardec system because it's almost meaningless as it is.
One amusing consequence of this is that we can expect an increase in alt-ganking. Which means that smaller, less profitable targets will be selected. A.K.A: newer players.
Ah well, I'm getting the hell out of empire anyway. This makes CCP's vision of it clear. I wonder if they're under the impression that these changes will actually decrease the level of complaints about non-consensual PvP? Haven't they learned that the bigger the bones they throw that dog, the louder it whines for more? |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:45:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 06/08/2008 06:51:45
If you suicide gank someone, the security hit will be a bit higher. Other then that, it does not change much.
Why the emorage?
Edit:
Ok, now I read the idea of removing Insurance Payout, when Concord arrives. Still there is nothing wrong with it. I would even go so far and make further nerfs to insurance. So that a T1 ship can only be insured up to 50% of it's worth and no payout if the ship was uninsured. Maybe this would help, fix some of the ship prices. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:46:00 - [ 25]
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:47:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
So its finally happend the carebears have taken over eve.
Having a bit of a whinge?
Yes i am since this game is becoming less and less of pvp'ing and more and more of blobbing which its obvius this server cant handle .
Killing defenceless ships doing hauling is not what I call PvP'ing. Sorry. That I call slaughter; Kills for carebears! Now the hauler have a little chance of getting away from the suicidegankers. If I am correct, suicideganking was one of the topics raised by the CSM??? This will reduce it a little I hope. Not much, but a little. SInce now you require a larger group to do suidide ganking the better ships, with more risk involved. Its the pirate who should have the riskpart. Now, you have to work harder for each kill, which I think is great! It does not really make eve more carebear. It just balances the playground between the unarmed hauler and the armed to teeth pirate/suicide group. |
Divad Ginleek
Gallente
Mercury Nation
House of Mercury |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:47:00 - [ 27]
Raven: 70-75ish mil to build, 32 mil to insure, around a mil to fit for torpedo gank (t1 siege launchers and BCUs)= 103-107 mil.
platinum insurance payout: 108 mil
net loss/gain for suicide ganker: 1 mil + phat lootz.
unbalanced game mechanic: Priceless.
i don't understand why so-called "hardcore PVPers" whine so much when an obvious error in game design is fixed. could it be that the ones crying loudest are the true carebears watching their isk faucet being repaired and yelling about it and throwing a fit like little babies?
get out there and work for your isk like the rest of EVE and maybe more people would sympathize when your profession gets "nerfed" (read: fixed).
i think the security penalty changes will make more of an underworld culture and bring pirate organizations closer together (as well as open up more trade opportunities in lowsec, thereby providing targets for the pvpers). who knows, just let the change come, try it out, and if it is obviously overdone, they will change it to make it more balanced. to me it sounds like a redirection of the game to bring it more in line with what highsec and lowsec should mean. highsec has never been safe for the carebear, now its just as risky for the sharks as well. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.06 06:47:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Zaqar
Originally by: Vaal Erit
4) Future removal of insurance from suicide ganks = WTF NO. HELL NO.
Why? Why does it make sense that you should get an insurance payout?
Why shouldn't I get a payout. I can self-destruct my ship and get payout and suicide it into camps in 0.0. Empire corps don't trust 0.0 alliances so they shouldn't be giving out payouts to those people. Hell, if I am -10.0, they KNOW I am going to pirate in it and kill other pod-pilots so I shouldn't get insurance either. It doesn't make sense with how EVE is made ingame and it doesn't make sense to only nerf one playstyle (suiciding) in regards to insurance. Insurance is for everyone and I can do anything, that's called sandbox gameplay that is advertised by CCP. I understand that a sandbox has rules, but insurance is one of those very basic rules that applies to everyone evenly. How about new rule: if you shoot at another player, your skill stops training for an hour. |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:47:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
It hasn't made the carebears safe, just safer.
Now all they need to do, is limit the freedom in starter corporations and it's a great change.
Well why would you need to be safer ?
Why is it always the pvp'ers way of life getting nerfed whilst the carebears roam around free with no need for adaptation ?
Why do the idiots need protection from the smarter in a game that is suppose to be a unforgiving harsh enviroment ?
Because it was to easy, obviously. Why should the griefers have it to easy? |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N |
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:48:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
If you suicide gank someone, the security hit will be a bit higher. Other then that, it does not change much.
Why the emorage?
Because soon if you use a Raven to go after a mission runner or miner, you'd better make damn sure his salvage is worth more than 100 mill. |
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