Posted - 2008.12.11 00:17:00 - [2]

 

Edited by: Stitcher on 11/12/2008 00:20:54
Linky

Man, I am going to waste so many hours writing about fictional things. Why do I think that's a good thing?

I was thinking of starting with the Ishukone Corporation's page.

Posted - 2008.12.11 14:57:00 - [4]

 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman

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One thing I'd strongly recomend is that CCP prime fiction be kept seperated from both player fiction and player speculation about prime fiction., with the exception of AURORA events where an actor was directly present and speeking. Main articles about bloodlines, characters, etc. ought to aim for something akin to a Wikipedia-like neutrality standard.

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I am not entirely sure about Wiki architecture, but would it be possible to have a section of the Prime Fiction entry locked and allow players to add to it?

For example an entry on the Deteris may be very short, but additional information is available from other sources of PF. So the user-editors can add to the basic PF entry, but not the basic information.

Posted - 2008.12.12 02:32:00 - [6]

 

It has promise, though it also has a good deal of problems. . . .

Posted - 2008.12.12 13:16:00 - [8]

 

hurrah!

Posted - 2008.12.12 23:05:00 - [10]

 

Posted - 2008.12.13 01:05:00 - [12]

 

Edited by: Stitcher on 13/12/2008 01:07:00

Originally by: Dex Nederland

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Now, here is a question: should we create/edit our own entries, be they individual or corporate (so Stitcher editing Duty.'s entry as an example)? My understanding is that this is generally a "no-no" on wikipedia. Now what it would do is mean that your organization has to be sufficiently well known for others to want to present it. This being said, I doubt we can stop the Goons, GBC, etc from creating and editing their own entries.

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Actually, while it may be a "no-no" on Wikipedia, It would appear to actively encouraged on EVElopedia. I did in fact create a page for Duty. earlier today, and one "ISD Erilus Nex" was kind enough to come along and point me in the direction of the player corporation template. There's quite an extensive range of categories for pilots, corporations and alliances, and every contributor has a private profile page that they can do whatever they like with.

Hell, even the page on the neutrality policy explains that it's quite all right to break from the traditionally neutral PoV of a wiki for the sake of bigging up your corp or character, provided you don't descend into smack.

They want new pages, filled in by the players. The pages on Otro Gariushi and Alexander Noir didn't exist before I created them. The page on the Ishukone Corporation consisted entirely of the dry table of details, and none of the recent history or political information. There's a whole category for "fan fiction".

The message appears to be "Go. Create." Cleanup can always be done after the fact, but if nobody writes anything down, then it'll never grow. If somebody creates an article that nobody cares about, it can be removed.

Here's a short snippet from the category tree:

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* Player Organisations
= * Player Corporations
=== * High-Sec Corporations
=== * 0.0 Corporations
=== * Low-Sec Corporations
=== * Roleplay Corporations
=== * Factional Warfare Corporations
= * Player Alliances
=== * High-Sec Alliances
=== * 0.0 Alliances
=== * Low-Sec Alliances
=== * Roleplay Alliances

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and a quote from the Evelopedia guide:

Quote:

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Editing rules, editing conventions, and formatting

The number one rule of wiki editing, is to be bold. Dive in and make changes. Other people can correct mistakes later, so have confidence, and give it a try! There can be all kinds of editing conventions, rules, and philosophy governing the editing of wiki pages, but the "be bold" rule overrides these!

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Posted - 2008.12.13 09:31:00 - [14]

 

be glad to, but I should warn you that I've got no experience at all with wiki editing.. I'm learning how to do it as I go, so creating a template might be a little beyond me yet.

Posted - 2008.12.16 02:44:00 - [18]

 

best way to learn seems to be to go make pages.

I took the stub article on Caldari Prime and fleshed it out a little, for example. Learned a lot in doing it, too.

Posted - 2008.12.16 14:57:00 - [20]

 

Originally by: CCP Ginger

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Excellent work so far guys :)

One thing I would ask, if your going to claim prime fiction elements in your article, please add citations to the relevant sections so everyone knows which bit of prime fiction you are referencing.

This allows us to differentiate between player created fiction and canon related fiction.

Cheers!
Ginger.

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Ginger - are you looking for us to cite the articles on this database or other wiki eve articles (with appropriate links)?
For information currently only captured in-game (such as Ranks w/ descriptions), what kind of reference are you looking for?
ex. [Eve-Online Description of Caldari Protectorate Captain] ?
Lastly - what about in game events and history? Is that considered PF? Can Dex's lose of a ship to the Brothers of Freedom be captured in a citation beyond his presence there and him saying so?

Posted - 2008.12.18 22:19:00 - [22]

 

Originally by: CCP Ginger

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We'll gradually create more pages and lock them as offiical as we go along hopefully.

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I'd just like to state that I highly disagree with this. The point of having pages in a Wiki is that they are editable and constantly improved -- and a number of the pages that are currently locked are in dire need of improvement, some of them being factually inaccurate.

The only thing I can see as being justifiably locked on the Wiki is the pages with the chrons, though in my opinion those pages should be about the chrons, not have the chrons on them.

Posted - 2008.12.19 11:16:00 - [26]

 

Will have to find some time myself to keep adding relevent pages but I'm well impressed by what seems to be filled in so far. Stitcher seems on a roll.

Posted - 2008.12.20 04:04:00 - [28]

 

Issue,

<ref>reference here</ref> <reference/>

as per Wikipedia do not work on wiki.eve-online.com

I think this would help with putting in reference material.

Posted - 2008.12.25 11:27:00 - [30]

 

I've just set the ball rolling on a Gallente Prime article, but the formatting is evidently wrong. I don't know how to make it conform to screen size, becuase atmo unless you have a VERY wide screen it's too big to fit on one page. Help!

BTW, it is great fun playing with the evelopedia. One thing I have noticed that I'm not allowed to change is that Sanctum constellation in Amarr is coming up as Amarr sovereignty, in actuality it's shared sovereignty between Amarr, CONCORD and the InterBus [If I remember correctly]. Also, the article on Empire Space doesn't list CONCORD and InterBus, I feel technically it should, even though it's one constellation that only ever sees transitory traffic these days.