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Vicerus |
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:41:00 - [ 1]
I'm not understanding how the production limit applies in conjunction with the production runs...I can't seem to find an answer in the stickies to this specific question, so could someone please help me out with the answer, or link me to a guide that does?
example...I just invented a T2 cargohold optimizer rig BPC. It has 1 licensed production run, and a production limit of 10.
Now that reads like I should be able to manufacturer 1 run that spits out 10 rigs, yet when I load it into the factory, it only allows me to select 1 run, and nowhere can I find a place to enter in how many I want to produce in that run. If I accept it this way, it's gonna spit out 1 rig and use up the blueprint.
How do you select a production of 10 like it states on the blueprint?
...also, what is the "Research Tech Time" shown on the T2 blueprint? I've tried loading into all the research bays of the lab, and everytime it tells me you cannot research a blueprint copy. So what is this part of the blueprint for?
any help would be appreciated...thanks! |
Gavin DeVries |
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:16:00 - [ 2]
The line "Production Limit" only applies to blueprint originals. When copying a BPO, you can specify how many licensed production runs the new copy will allow; the maximum you can choose is the production limit. For most ammo types the limit is 1500, but each item is different. By the same token, most ammo types one production run produces 100 of that ammo, but for ships and modules it usually only produces one.
If you had an Expanded Cargohold I BPO, the production limit of 10 would allow you to make BPCs with anywhere from 1 to 10 runs. There's a formula for calculating how many runs the resulting T2 BPC from successful invention would be, and the runs on the copy used in the invention factors into that as well as the decryptor used (if any). |
Vicerus |
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:24:00 - [ 3]
ok, I guess I was being naive thinking they wouldn't put something on a BPC that didn't apply to THAT BPC...lol
any idea what the research tech time is that's listed on the bottom of the T2 BPC? or does that only apply to BPOs too? |
Mad Crafter
Multiverse Corporation
Un-Natural Selection |
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:44:00 - [ 4]
The research tech time applies to... Nothing. Isn't EvE great? |
Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:28:00 - [ 5]
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa |
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:50:00 - [ 6]
Knowing what the production limit is, is only really important for invention. Where both the T1 and T2 production limits are taken into account when producing the output.
Research Tech Time is the time taken for invention. ;)
You will only see this on BPCs, as well you only see the ME/PE/Copy times on BPOs ;) |
Vicerus |
Posted - 2008.12.12 00:15:00 - [ 7]
Thanks for the guide link!
why would they show invention research time on a T2 BPC? what are ya gonna research it to? |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa |
Posted - 2008.12.12 14:59:00 - [ 8]
 Originally by: Vicerus
Thanks for the guide link!
why would they show invention research time on a T2 BPC? what are ya gonna research it to?
It's probably just an attribute they added to all BPC's T1 or T2, it just doesn't do anything on the T2 versions. Probably easier to code than displaying it only for 'some' BPCs. |
Vicerus |
Posted - 2008.12.15 01:07:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Gavin DeVries
There's a formula for calculating how many runs the resulting T2 BPC from successful invention would be, and the runs on the copy used in the invention factors into that as well as the decryptor used (if any).
is there a way to know the bonus a particular decryptor gives you? I found the basic "user manual", which I'm assuming is a low bonus, but it doesn't say specifically. I've heard people talk about +9's etc...how do you know what value a decryptor is? |
CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:17:00 - [ 10]
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
The research tech time shows on all blueprint copies regardless of the tech level of the product. |
Vicerus |
Posted - 2008.12.15 01:26:00 - [ 11]
Edited by: Vicerus on 15/12/2008 01:53:52
yeah, I got both of those answers already, as you noticed!
...or was that your subtle way of questioning why this thread was bumped again? lol
I was following up on the mention of the decryptor, as illustrated by that nifty quote option, which the poster implied could be used to increase the production limit on the invented T2 blueprint.
I have several decryptors now and I'm wondering how you would decide which one to use...ie, if you have a blueprint you REALLY want a higher limit on once invented to T2, how would you choose one decryptor over another? |
Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:26:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Salvis Tallan on 15/12/2008 01:27:02 Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
The research tech time shows on all blueprint copies regardless of the tech level of the product.
Please  |
Horchan
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.15 02:23:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
The research tech time shows on all blueprint copies regardless of the tech level of the product.
Please rename it, that causes so much confusion. |
Mona X
Caldari
C0VEN |
Posted - 2008.12.15 02:37:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Horchan
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
The research tech time shows on all blueprint copies regardless of the tech level of the product.
Please rename it, that causes so much confusion.
Few weeks after patch: "Hi. What's the copy limit? It says 300, but I already copied BPO 500 times." :) |
Gavin DeVries |
Posted - 2008.12.15 02:51:00 - [ 15]
Call it "Licensed production run limit". I won't say it'll eliminate all confusion, because some people just won't get it regardless, but since BPCs say "licensed production runs" it should have some association. |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa |
Posted - 2008.12.15 10:00:00 - [ 16]
'Maximum Licensed Production Runs Per Copy'. |
ingenting
20th Legion
Sodalitas XX |
Posted - 2008.12.15 11:58:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
The research tech time shows on all blueprint copies regardless of the tech level of the product.
please, kind sir. |
Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:14:00 - [ 18]
"Maximum runs per BPC"
Simple and understandable by all. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:11:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
The research tech time shows on all blueprint copies regardless of the tech level of the product.
I, for one, proposed this some time ago. |
Ms Flint
Caldari
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:59:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
that would be great ^^ took me quite a while to descover this too, and im sure a lot of invention newbs have and are having the same difficulty  |
Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research. |
Posted - 2008.12.15 17:43:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Lord Fitz
'Maximum Licensed Production Runs Per Copy'.
This. |
voidvim
Minmatar
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2008.12.15 18:23:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
The research tech time shows on all blueprint copies regardless of the tech level of the product.
Thats seem like a good idea or other ideas people have suggest on this thread. |
Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:29:00 - [ 23]
Whilst yer chnaging this one how about changing the other most mis-understood attribute? I'm talking about the "restricted" attribute on POS structures which cannot be anchored in high sec.
Just needs changing to "Cannot anchor in" or "restricted from", restricted on its own confuses many a person as to what it means. |
Aramith |
Posted - 2008.12.15 18:40:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: Aramith on 15/12/2008 18:40:31 Originally by: Braaage
Try this.
braage, one slight correction you should make to that page. * Research copy time = Time it takes to make one max run BPC (this one is off, max skill only gives a 25% time savings on copy time yet your example it show 24 weeks down to 3 hours) * Research Copy Time (you) = time it takes you to make a 1 run BPC with your skills (you have this one correct)) |
Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:59:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Aramith
Edited by: Aramith on 15/12/2008 18:40:31
Originally by: Braaage
Try this.
braage, one slight correction you should make to that page.
* Research copy time = Time it takes to make one max run BPC (this one is off, max skill only gives a 25% time savings on copy time yet your example it show 24 weeks down to 3 hours)
* Research Copy Time (you) = time it takes you to make a 1 run BPC with your skills (you have this one correct))
Hmm perhaps that BPO shows incorrect figures, I didn't brush it up that's the actual BPO from in-game. |
Aramith |
Posted - 2008.12.15 19:16:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Braaage
Originally by: Aramith
Edited by: Aramith on 15/12/2008 18:40:31
Originally by: Braaage
Try this.
braage, one slight correction you should make to that page.
* Research copy time = Time it takes to make one max run BPC (this one is off, max skill only gives a 25% time savings on copy time yet your example it show 24 weeks down to 3 hours)
* Research Copy Time (you) = time it takes you to make a 1 run BPC with your skills (you have this one correct))
Hmm perhaps that BPO shows incorrect figures, I didn't brush it up that's the actual BPO from in-game.
yes i know...its 24 weeks to make 1 1000-run bpc with no skills ie the attribute "Research copy time" is the the time it takes with no skills to make 1 MAX run bpc they time list for "research copy time (you)" is always a 1 run BPC (not max run unless production limit is also 1) using your skills. It took me a while to realize that as well. in the case of that example, a max run BPC with skills is about 3000 hours which is nearly 18 weeks (about 75% of 24 weeks) which matches the 24 week time listed under "research copy time" |
Creepin |
Posted - 2008.12.15 20:17:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Production limit has been answered above already, it is somewhat misnamed as it applies to research and not manufacture and can be confusing, who wants it renamed to copy limit?
I think "Copy max run" should do the trick. |
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